youth darts

[Ginge]

Paul what would your guess be for the prize fund for the BDO world youth championship?

A "10% off your next stay at Potters International Hotel" voucher would suffice for the winner, surely?

[MancheStar]

The winners cheque should be a minimum 5K

[Ginge]

The winners cheque should be a minimum 5K

Ha, come off it now, the women were only getting £5k and would have stayed at that level had the PDC not paid out £10k. Not a chance the youth winner is going to get that much.

[MancheStar]

Didn't say it would be said it should be

[WCDPA]

The winners cheque should be a minimum 5K

Ha, come off it now, the women were only getting £5k and would have stayed at that level had the PDC not paid out £10k. Not a chance the youth winner is going to get that much.

Being under 18 wont be nowhere near 5 k , but will ask this weekend at the AGM .

[Booji Boy]

Ignored yet again.

Its like being at home.

[Ginge]

Will you ask them where BDO Events have vanished to as well?

[The Jolly Man]

Right a quick comparison between the Challenger Tour OOM (so associate) and Youth Tour OOM.

Think I matched up 20 players who are ranked in both. Quite a few are definitely to old:
Dean,Dan
Dicken,Matthew
Hall,Rees
Hill,Sam
Hopp,Max (Too old)
Johnson,Scott
Littler,Shaun
Narain,Shaun (Too old)
Parry,Kurt (Too old)
Patchett,Jake (Too old)
Read,Dan
Robinson,Reece (Too old)
Ryan,Sean
Smith- Neale,Adam (Too old)
Songhurst,Ben
Thomas,Sion
Tweddell,Jack (Too old)
van den Bergh,Dimitri (Too old)
van Duijvenbode,Dirk (Too old)
Whitworth,Lee

Zeyes has previously said there is one player (who could be Josh McCarthy, 17 currently) who has played Youth but not Challenger since Q-School as well. He would probably have a decent stab at this.

[WCDPA]

Right a quick comparison between the Challenger Tour OOM (so associate) and Youth Tour OOM.

Think I matched up 20 players who are ranked in both. Quite a few are definitely to old:
Dean,Dan
Dicken,Matthew
Hall,Rees
Hill,Sam
Hopp,Max (Too old)
Johnson,Scott
Littler,Shaun
Narain,Shaun (Too old)
Parry,Kurt (Too old)
Patchett,Jake (Too old)
Read,Dan
Robinson,Reece (Too old)
Ryan,Sean
Smith- Neale,Adam (Too old)
Songhurst,Ben
Thomas,Sion
Tweddell,Jack (Too old)
van den Bergh,Dimitri (Too old)
van Duijvenbode,Dirk (Too old)
Whitworth,Lee

Zeyes has previously said there is one player (who could be Josh McCarthy, 17 currently) who has played Youth but not Challenger since Q-School as well. He would probably have a decent stab at this.

Josh McCarthy didnt go to QS , think he might even be 18 this september.
Now question remains is there any pdpa member or associates under 18 on January 8th 2015!!!! Perhaps,nobody is ineligible for bdo youth world champs !!!! Maybe we really are " darts for all" come on Ginge you must find at last 1.

[Bag Carrier]

Will you ask them where BDO Events have vanished to as well?

I hope someone does as there not exactly filling people with confidence in the future

[el_ringo]

I hope someone does as there not exactly filling people with confidence in the future

Suns been out this past couple of weeks so I expect they will raise their heads very soon on the back of a few solar power cheques.

Perhaps,nobody is ineligible for bdo youth world champs !!!! Maybe we really are " darts for all" come on Ginge you must find at last 1.

I don't think the actual number if there are any at all is really important. The fact is and remains that the BDO has measures in place to exclude youth players and although this year it may not have excluded anyone next year and years after it may well be.

Also let's be honest if you were a very talented 16 year old who was good enough to be competitive would you really be concerned over the BDO Youth Title especially when more than likely it will cost you nearly the same to play and win it as you could ever hope to get back in prize money.

[trotter]

To be honest I don't think too many players will be affected by the ban on associate PDPA members playing...I don't think their would have been many, if any 16-18 year olds at QS..but there could have been some and they would be ineligible which would be a shame at that age..it's a shame to actually put restrictions on under 18 year olds in the first place...there is plenty of time in the future to go down that road.

[trotter]

I hope someone does as there not exactly filling people with confidence in the future

Suns been out this past couple of weeks so I expect they will raise their heads very soon on the back of a few solar power cheques.

Perhaps,nobody is ineligible for bdo youth world champs !!!! Maybe we really are " darts for all" come on Ginge you must find at last 1.

I don't think the actual number if there are any at all is really important. The fact is and remains that the BDO has measures in place to exclude youth players and although this year it may not have excluded anyone next year and years after it may well be.

Also let's be honest if you were a very talented 16 year old who was good enough to be competitive would you really be concerned over the BDO Youth Title especially when more than likely it will cost you nearly the same to play and win it as you could ever hope to get back in prize money.

I think a very talented 16 year old would be very interested in winning the BDO World Youth as it is a good title to hold and could easily generate sponsors and extra publicity for the player...and it also doesn't stop him playing the PDC Youth as well....nothing to lose really for a non PDPA player.

[devosteve]

seems to be a rumour going around that pdc youth tour might become members only, would this be a good move or politics even affecting the youth now.
as I sais its a rumour ive heard twice in last few weeks , wonder if the knowledgable pdc guys on here have heard anything.

Seems like no one had the answer to this question (or were willing to share it) and the thread went off about the BDO restricting the youth not the PDC.

But on the subject of restriction I was surprised Paul did defend the BDO (if it's true 16 yr olds will be excluded from the BDO youth WC if they play in the PDC - think I have read this thread correctly), he's always been big enough to criticise them when needed.

It's irrelevant how many it effects now, what about the principle?

And consider when Billy the kid and Luis turn 16. Why can't they play both youth systems and then make a choice later in life as to were is best for them to play darts. I thought the BDO were not going to play politics with the youth. Hope the PDC are not either.

[ifm]

Can I ask, is this because of the tomlin order?
I believe it states that one code cannot play in the other if the word "world" is in the title.

[trotter]

Can I ask, is this because of the tomlin order?
I believe it states that one code cannot play in the other if the word "world" is in the title.

There has been players who have played in the PDC World Cup and carried on playing BDO ranked events in the same year....and also who played in the PDC World Champs who never became PDPA members and played BDO ranked events as well so I assume you can play them

[ifm]

Can I ask, is this because of the tomlin order?
I believe it states that one code cannot play in the other if the word "world" is in the title.

There has been players who have played in the PDC World Cup and carried on playing BDO ranked events in the same year....and also who played in the PDC World Champs who never became PDPA members and played BDO ranked events as well so I assume you can play them

Well the pdc don't adhere to the tomlin order so I know it works in that direction but the bdo do I believe, I'm just wondering if that may be the reason here.

[trotter]

Can I ask, is this because of the tomlin order?
I believe it states that one code cannot play in the other if the word "world" is in the title.

There has been players who have played in the PDC World Cup and carried on playing BDO ranked events in the same year....and also who played in the PDC World Champs who never became PDPA members and played BDO ranked events as well so I assume you can play them

Well the pdc don't adhere to the tomlin order so I know it works in that direction but the bdo do I believe, I'm just wondering if that may be the reason here.

I thought the original Tomlin Order allowed players to basically play in anything throughout the year but could only play in one of the World Championships....it's that long ago I can't remember...but neither side has adhered to that for years....probably from after 2000 when you had to become a PDPA member to play PDC events which stopped Martin Adams playing in the World Matchplay and World Grand Prix like he had done and caused the mass defection to the PDC prior to the World Champs

[ifm]

Can I ask, is this because of the tomlin order?
I believe it states that one code cannot play in the other if the word "world" is in the title.

There has been players who have played in the PDC World Cup and carried on playing BDO ranked events in the same year....and also who played in the PDC World Champs who never became PDPA members and played BDO ranked events as well so I assume you can play them

Well the pdc don't adhere to the tomlin order so I know it works in that direction but the bdo do I believe, I'm just wondering if that may be the reason here.

I thought the original Tomlin Order allowed players to basically play in anything throughout the year but could only play in one of the World Championships....it's that long ago I can't remember...but neither side has adhered to that for years....probably from after 2000 when you had to become a PDPA member to play PDC events which stopped Martin Adams playing in the World Matchplay and World Grand Prix like he had done and caused the mass defection to the PDC prior to the World Champs

Yeah just looked it up, for some reason I had something in my head about comps with world in the title.
The bdo does still adhere to it but then it's not actually been tested as players don't tend to move that way.

[The Jolly Man]

Could Larry Butler test it this year? On course to make Lakeside and then go to PDC qualifier and get through that?