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Re: Stephen Bunting

Post by meetthefeebles » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:06 am

I don't think it's crazy to consider 'prime' Waites better than Bunting was around the time of his switch. It's harder to remember, because Waites has been pretty average for a good few years now but ten years or so ago he was an excellent player, recording wins over Ellie players and knocking out very high averages - ten or more points than he does now.

I'd pick that version of Waites to beat any version of Bunting more times out of ten then he would lose.

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Re: Stephen Bunting

Post by Murphio » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:58 pm

Thehateful180 wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:59 pm
Murphio wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:34 pm
Thehateful180 wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:15 pm
Rout wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:28 pm
What i said, was that there were only 2 or 3 players DEFINITELY better than Bunting. The key word in caps. This didn't mean that I think Bunting was the 3rd best player in the world. The point was that the I felt there really was no 3rd or 4th best player. There was 2 or 3 ahead of the pack, then the pack, which contained Bunting. It meant that at the time, with the form of everyone taken into account, because Bunting had yet to switch or only very recently switched, you cannot say with any certainty who is or who isn't, with the exception of the elite at the time. I included the word "definitely" for a reason.

The Ian White thing - well of course that ended up looking stupid and egg and my face are most certainly in alignment as a result. Ill laugh along with all the ribbing I get for that one. Tbh that was kinda more based on the fact that I didn't expect Ian "Not made for TV" white to keep his ranking so high for so long but he proved me wrong so fair do's! But Bunting was playing a lot better back then than he was now, and indeed did for much of his first year. Then he started dicking about with his darts and his throw and hasn't looked the same since.

Worth nothing that Bunting was FIFTH favourite for the PDC World Championship in his first year. So the bookies clearly were also tentative about who you can and can't claim were better players at the time. Admittedly, 5th was probably closer to the mark than 3rd or 4th. But not exactly wildly different. . . .
Beep beep beep. Deflect deflect deflect.
I think his post was very fair. Bunting was among the best players in the world. Maybe not just as high as Rout said - but, people do underestimate just how good some players in the BDO are. Duzza has been a revelation and yet some people would have you believe he is some super league player got lucky. I think Scott Waites, Scott Mitchell, Wayne Warren and Jim Williams are world class players and they are evidence the BDO system, for all its flaws, continues to produce very good players. It not only has to remain in place in some form but whoever takes over should be looking to implement it elsewhere.
Bunting was never among the best players in the world. He rode a wave of confidence going into the PDC, and had a decent enough first year, but even in his first (and best) year, his head to head record against the absolute top players was poor. He didn't hit nearly as many 12 darters as the best. His averages weren't really much better or worse than his BDO averages. It's just that his new opponents didn't roll over when confronted with a 95 average. Plenty of players have had one decent year in the PDC.

I wouldn't say Durrant has been a revelation, but he's done well. He benefits from being an awkward opponent for quick players as he is poison to watch whilst being a good enough finisher to do something with it. The fact remains though that over really long format games, he cannot keep up with players like Wright.
Well I guess it depends on just how narrow you make your criteria. He is currently 17th on the OOM - if that doesn't put him among the best dart players in the world then I don't know what does. As usual with these things you take the polar of the two opinions - he is a jobber/top four player in the world - and you find the truth somewhere in between.

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Re: Stephen Bunting

Post by Rout » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:14 pm

There are very few players on either side with more bottle than Waites.

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