PDC Order of Merit

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

Think Mensur will be worried for his PL place now.

Remember though this is all about selling on TV.
He’s the top rated German speaker and the others haven’t really done much either this year.

Therefore more valuable for marketing than players like Chisnall or Wade.

Perhaps but Wright or Cross (who also haven’t done much this year) are qualified by right. Let’s temember also Mensur was dreadful in this year’s PL and usually that player is dropped for the following edition. Price only gets in as he’s Grand Slam champion otherwise he’d missed out also.

He actually threw some really good stuff in the PL, it's just others happened to hit even better scores against him. He averaged something like 99 over the course of the 9 weeks which I think was only bettered by MvG. His main weakness this year has been staying the course of the longer matches (ironic given how he stuck in so well against Anderson in Blackpool), which isn't too relevant for the PL, I think the only reason Mensur might not be there is if he himself doesn't fancy it

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[Dannyboy]

Think it is testament to the levels of prize money that £100k in ranking events barely gets you into the top 50.

[ChrisW]

Think it is testament to the levels of prize money that £100k in ranking events barely gets you into the top 50.

One more win and he will be top 16 and set up for the year.

[Dannyboy]

On prize money... at the end of the 2018 season:
1 player has earned over £2m in prize money in the last 2 years.
3 players have earned over £1m.
At least 9 players will have earned over £500,000.
At least 21 players will have earned over £250,000.
51 players have earned over £100,000.
75 players have earned over £50,000 which is around the average UK wage.
114 players have earned over £30,000 which is around the UK living wage for the south.
219 players have earned over £10,000 in 2 years.
Nearly 3,000 players have earned known money in events in 2 years.

[Zapp Brannigan]

So Smith will end the year 6th or 3rd.

I kinda agree with the comments on twitter last night that the OOM needs looking at, maybe a 1 year rolling or something.

Are the best players in the world currently ?

1 - MVG
2 - Cross
3 - Wright
4 - Ando
5 - Gurney
6 - Smith
7 - Price
8 - Sulovic
9 - Whitlock
10 - Wade

[only85]

On prize money... at the end of the 2018 season:
1 player has earned over £2m in prize money in the last 2 years.
3 players have earned over £1m.
At least 9 players will have earned over £500,000.
At least 21 players will have earned over £250,000.
51 players have earned over £100,000.
75 players have earned over £50,000 which is around the average UK wage.
114 players have earned over £30,000 which is around the UK living wage for the south.
219 players have earned over £10,000 in 2 years.
Nearly 3,000 players have earned known money in events in 2 years.

It’s that old chestnut how many players are earning good money without winning anything, include pro tour events, for me good money is 40k / year

[malcy93]

So Smith will end the year 6th or 3rd.

I kinda agree with the comments on twitter last night that the OOM needs looking at, maybe a 1 year rolling or something.

Are the best players in the world currently ?

1 - MVG
2 - Cross
3 - Wright
4 - Ando
5 - Gurney
6 - Smith
7 - Price
8 - Sulovic
9 - Whitlock
10 - Wade

The problem is the skew in prize on the World Championship being so much more than the other majors. Is what flatters Cross in particular.

They should be looking at upping the money for the Matchplay, Grand Prix and Grand Slam to 200k winner and 100k runner-up, but Hearn won’t do that as wants the marketing angle of a massive prize for the World Champion.

There was his recent interview saying in next few years he wants to increase winner’s prize to £1 million.

Would also look at spread of money in Pro Tours as that over inflates the rankings of Pro Tour jobb**** like White. (Who put in an overwrite block on the word I had to star to get accepted !)

Could they do something like you must win a game in the TV events to get money so taking out the guaranteed money you currently get for losing first round.

[Zapp Brannigan]

So Smith will end the year 6th or 3rd.

I kinda agree with the comments on twitter last night that the OOM needs looking at, maybe a 1 year rolling or something.

Are the best players in the world currently ?

1 - MVG
2 - Cross
3 - Wright
4 - Ando
5 - Gurney
6 - Smith
7 - Price
8 - Sulovic
9 - Whitlock
10 - Wade

The problem is the skew in prize on the World Championship being so much more than the other majors. Is what flatters Cross in particular.

They should be looking at upping the money for the Matchplay, Grand Prix and Grand Slam to 200k winner and 100k runner-up, but Hearn won’t do that as wants the marketing angle of a massive prize for the World Champion.

There was his recent interview saying in next few years he wants to increase winner’s prize to £1 million.

Would also look at spread of money in Pro Tours as that over inflates the rankings of Pro Tour jobb**** like White. (Who put in an overwrite block on the word I had to star to get accepted !)

Could they do something like you must win a game in the TV events to get money so taking out the guaranteed money you currently get for losing first round.

Hearn has spoke last night about changing something with the order of merit. Whether it’s changing prize money or changing the order of merit I don’t know

[DavidB]

Nothing wrong with the OOM in terms of tv events the problem with it how much money their is on floor events which means massively overrated rankings for the likes of White.

Isn’t the actual problem is there are too many floor events which means the real top players don’t play them all as they don’t need to??

Perhaps Hearn is thinking along Cat A and B pro tour events - Cat A pays more and there are say 8 of these in a season and then have your Cat B events which pay out less.

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

So Smith will end the year 6th or 3rd.

I kinda agree with the comments on twitter last night that the OOM needs looking at, maybe a 1 year rolling or something.

Are the best players in the world currently ?

1 - MVG
2 - Cross
3 - Wright
4 - Ando
5 - Gurney
6 - Smith
7 - Price
8 - Sulovic
9 - Whitlock
10 - Wade

The problem is the skew in prize on the World Championship being so much more than the other majors. Is what flatters Cross in particular.

They should be looking at upping the money for the Matchplay, Grand Prix and Grand Slam to 200k winner and 100k runner-up, but Hearn won’t do that as wants the marketing angle of a massive prize for the World Champion.

There was his recent interview saying in next few years he wants to increase winner’s prize to £1 million.

Would also look at spread of money in Pro Tours as that over inflates the rankings of Pro Tour jobb**** like White. (Who put in an overwrite block on the word I had to star to get accepted !)

Could they do something like you must win a game in the TV events to get money so taking out the guaranteed money you currently get for losing first round.

For the seeds like on the Euro Tour, maybe, would mean they would have to earn their money, but at the same time, for players who strive all year to make the big stage, it would be harsh

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

Nothing wrong with the OOM in terms of tv events the problem with it how much money their is on floor events which means massively overrated rankings for the likes of White.

Isn’t the actual problem is there are too many floor events which means the real top players don’t play them all as they don’t need to??

Perhaps Hearn is thinking along Cat A and B pro tour events - Cat A pays more and there are say 8 of these in a season and then have your Cat B events which pay out less.

Haven't they essentially already done that with the Euro Tour?

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

Nothing wrong with the OOM in terms of tv events the problem with it how much money their is on floor events which means massively overrated rankings for the likes of White.

You'd need 10 Players Championship titles to even make what you'd do in a World Championship semi-final. I can't knock White too much, it's not talent he's lacking as his stats for the whole year are remarkable, but he just seems to lack bottle

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

White is also so that high because the guys behind him are hardly doing all they can to force their way above him

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

Thinking now anyone have an order of merit just based of the tv ranking events in the last 2 years I’m sure that would be a better reflection of players ranking TBH.

What about the players lower down in the rankings who only make TV events occasionally?

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

Nothing wrong with the OOM in terms of tv events the problem with it how much money their is on floor events which means massively overrated rankings for the likes of White.

You'd need 10 Players Championship titles to even make what you'd do in a World Championship semi-final. I can't knock White too much, it's not talent he's lacking as his stats for the whole year are remarkable, but he just seems to lack bottle

It’s not just him though I think this is much a better ranking just from the ranked tv money in last 2 years. It gives a better reflection of who should be seeded at tv events rather than floor players who are guff on TV getting seedlings.

1st MvG- £795,250
2nd Cross- £591,500
3rd Gando-£461,750
4th Wright-£450,750
5th Gurney-£384,500
6th Smith- £337,000
7th Price- £273,500
8th Mensur- £235,000
9th Wade- £229,750
10th Whitlock-£219,000
11th Chizzy-£160,750
12th Webster-£150,000
13th RvB- £131,250
14th Clayton- £126,250
15th Jamie Lewis-£124,250
16th Adrian Lewis-£118.250

17th West-£117,500
18th White- £116,000
19th Aspinall-£111,750
20th Hendo-£110,500
21st Bunting- £109,000
22nd Norris-£104,500
23rd Cullen- £103,750
24th Kyle Anderson-£97,750
25th Beaton-£95,500
26th Dimitri-£93,500
27th Huybrechts-£92,000
28th Benito-£86,500
29th Wilson-£85,000
30th Wattimena-£84,500
31st Reyes-£78,000
32nd Dobey-£76,500

33rd Brown-£75,000
34th Dolan-£73,250
35th King-£71,750
36th Lennon-£70,500
37th Klaasen-£69,750
38th VvdV-£69,750
39th De Zwaan-£67,500
40th Hopp-£67,000


You see it’s not just White who falls but King goes from 18th all the way down to 35th.

Hmmm, it's an alright list, not too different from the real one, but Jamie Lewis at 15 stands out. As much as we talk about the Worlds being too important, this would only exacerbate it

[1205]

Nothing wrong with the OOM in terms of tv events the problem with it how much money their is on floor events which means massively overrated rankings for the likes of White.

White is pretty exceptional.
The floor events are relatively low value.

Here's an article from July showing how players get their money:
https://www.pdc.tv/news/2018/07/10/stat ... money-game

Since TV events are more valuable, you would expect better players to earn more ranking money on stage.
You can also see how 1 World Championship run can skew things.

[DavidB]

How much of that 124k has Jamie Lewis won in the past two editions of the world championship?? I’m guessing the vast majority hence why a tv ranking list would be daft...

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