Integrity in sport - How does darts compare?

[BlueSpark]

Apart from all the others, I can't think of one.

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Apart from all the others?
Well what were they?

Jackpotjoy was one

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Well yes.
But there have been plenty apparently

Yes, apart from all the others

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I sense a whoosh or an Ian slap down attempt.
So apparently there have been plenty, but you don't know what they were, so there we are.

[Skewball]

Apart from all the others?
Well what were they?

Jackpotjoy was one

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Well yes.
But there have been plenty apparently

Yes, apart from all the others

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I sense a whoosh or an Ian slap down attempt.
So apparently there have been plenty, but you don't know what they were, so there we are.

give him time, he is off googling now for previous BDO gambling sponsors!!

[ifm]

Apart from all the others?
Well what were they?

Jackpotjoy was one

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Well yes.
But there have been plenty apparently

Yes, apart from all the others

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I sense a whoosh or an Ian slap down attempt.
So apparently there have been plenty, but you don't know what they were, so there we are.

I was taking the piss because you obviously thought he was correct then remembered jackpotjoy so you quickly said apart from.....
It's like the what have Romans done for us scene in LOB

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[Skewball]

'I was Joking'

[Rout]

I really enjoyed the 2011 premier league match between Gary Anderson and Adrian Lewis, which Anderson admitted throwing.

[Rout]

Oops sorry wrong thread

[Paddy McGinty]

Darts, snooker and tennis are probably the easiest sports to fix.....

[Buzz Fledderjohn]

Darts, snooker and tennis are probably the easiest sports to fix.....

You're probably right, but the overall public perception seems to be different. That interested me, and was one of the reasons I started the thread. I was curious to see what other darts fans take on it was.
It could be the list of sports you've identified as most corruptible are only so from the perspective of traditional betting markets i.e. betting on the winner of an event.

Modern markets where you can be on virtually any aspect of a sporting event make spot fixing much easier for team sports, cricket being the obvious example that. If you want an insight into just how easy (and prevalent) spot fixing is in cricket, read "Bookie Gambler Fixer Spy" by Ed Hawkins. It's a frightening read, and I guarantee you'll never watch cricket in the same way again.

Also don't forget, the list is about the overall corruption of sport, not just match fixing, which is why cycling does so badly on the list despite it being virtually impossible to rig a race (road race anyway).

[Rout]

Darts, snooker and tennis are probably the easiest sports to fix.....

You're probably right, but the overall public perception seems to be different. That interested me, and was one of the reasons I started the thread. I was curious to see what other darts fans take on it was.
It could be the list of sports you've identified as most corruptible are only so from the perspective of traditional betting markets i.e. betting on the winner of an event.

Modern markets where you can be on virtually any aspect of a sporting event make spot fixing much easier for team sports, cricket being the obvious example that. If you want an insight into just how easy (and prevalent) spot fixing is in cricket, read "Bookie Gambler Fixer Spy" by Ed Hawkins. It's a frightening read, and I guarantee you'll never watch cricket in the same way again.

Also don't forget, the list is about the overall corruption of sport, not just match fixing, which is why cycling does so badly on the list despite it being virtually impossible to rig a race (road race anyway).

Most major bookies take bets on things like which will be the first dart and 1st double hit etc.... along with things like 180 hitting, over and under bets etc it will be a piece of piss to fix something without compromising the overall result or involving anyone else just like spot fixing.

[Buzz Fledderjohn]

Darts, snooker and tennis are probably the easiest sports to fix.....

You're probably right, but the overall public perception seems to be different. That interested me, and was one of the reasons I started the thread. I was curious to see what other darts fans take on it was.
It could be the list of sports you've identified as most corruptible are only so from the perspective of traditional betting markets i.e. betting on the winner of an event.

Modern markets where you can be on virtually any aspect of a sporting event make spot fixing much easier for team sports, cricket being the obvious example that. If you want an insight into just how easy (and prevalent) spot fixing is in cricket, read "Bookie Gambler Fixer Spy" by Ed Hawkins. It's a frightening read, and I guarantee you'll never watch cricket in the same way again.

Also don't forget, the list is about the overall corruption of sport, not just match fixing, which is why cycling does so badly on the list despite it being virtually impossible to rig a race (road race anyway).

Most major bookies take bets on things like which will be the first dart and 1st double hit etc.... along with things like 180 hitting, over and under bets etc it will be a piece of piss to fix something without compromising the overall result or involving anyone else just like spot fixing.

Absolutely. It wasn't my intention to suggest spot fixing is limited to team sports, but to highlight that spot fixing makes team sports just as easy to corrupt as individual ones.

[FW 180]

Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.

Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.

[Zeyes]

Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.

Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.

I'm actually surprised cycling finished as high as it did. I figured its (well-deserved) bad reputation would endure for a lot longer, regardless of the sport's efforts to clean itself up.

[ssjsa]

Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.

Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.

Welcome to the forum.

[FW 180]

Cheers.

[Buzz Fledderjohn]

Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.

Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.

But cycling is starting it's climb back to respectability from a much lower base than any sport I can think of.
It's not all that long ago you could randomly select any member of the peloton in any professional race and be confident they were on drugs. I can't think of any other sport that has endured such systematic cheating for so long.
And the man in the street is never going to have faith in cycling whilst you've got people like Greg Lamonde accusing Team Sky of cheating during this years Tour De France.

Cycling may have done a lot to clean up it's act, but it's got a very long to way to go before it's considered trustworthy again.

[FW 180]

Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.

Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.

But cycling is starting it's climb back to respectability from a much lower base than any sport I can think of.
It's not all that long ago you could randomly select any member of the peloton in any professional race and be confident they were on drugs. I can't think of any other sport that has endured such systematic cheating for so long.
And the man in the street is never going to have faith in cycling whilst you've got people like Greg Lamonde accusing Team Sky of cheating during this years Tour De France.

Cycling may have done a lot to clean up it's act, but it's got a very long to way to go before it's considered trustworthy again.

More than any other sport....cleaner these days than tennis, rugby and certainly athletics.

[ssjsa]

Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.

Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.

But cycling is starting it's climb back to respectability from a much lower base than any sport I can think of.
It's not all that long ago you could randomly select any member of the peloton in any professional race and be confident they were on drugs. I can't think of any other sport that has endured such systematic cheating for so long.
And the man in the street is never going to have faith in cycling whilst you've got people like Greg Lamonde accusing Team Sky of cheating during this years Tour De France.

Cycling may have done a lot to clean up it's act, but it's got a very long to way to go before it's considered trustworthy again.

Good to see 2 new posters debate in such a measured and articulate fashion, and without having to resort to insults.

Puts some of our more established members to shame.

[Booji Boy]

Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.

Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.

But cycling is starting it's climb back to respectability from a much lower base than any sport I can think of.
It's not all that long ago you could randomly select any member of the peloton in any professional race and be confident they were on drugs. I can't think of any other sport that has endured such systematic cheating for so long.
And the man in the street is never going to have faith in cycling whilst you've got people like Greg Lamonde accusing Team Sky of cheating during this years Tour De France.

Cycling may have done a lot to clean up it's act, but it's got a very long to way to go before it's considered trustworthy again.

More than any other sport....cleaner these days than tennis, rugby and certainly athletics.

Howay lad, what brings you over here?

[Booji Boy]

Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.

Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.

But cycling is starting it's climb back to respectability from a much lower base than any sport I can think of.
It's not all that long ago you could randomly select any member of the peloton in any professional race and be confident they were on drugs. I can't think of any other sport that has endured such systematic cheating for so long.
And the man in the street is never going to have faith in cycling whilst you've got people like Greg Lamonde accusing Team Sky of cheating during this years Tour De France.

Cycling may have done a lot to clean up it's act, but it's got a very long to way to go before it's considered trustworthy again.

More than any other sport....cleaner these days than tennis, rugby and certainly athletics.

There were more drug cheats caught cycling in 2016 than there were tennis players.

Just saying.

[Buzz Fledderjohn]

Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.

Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.

But cycling is starting it's climb back to respectability from a much lower base than any sport I can think of.
It's not all that long ago you could randomly select any member of the peloton in any professional race and be confident they were on drugs. I can't think of any other sport that has endured such systematic cheating for so long.
And the man in the street is never going to have faith in cycling whilst you've got people like Greg Lamonde accusing Team Sky of cheating during this years Tour De France.

Cycling may have done a lot to clean up it's act, but it's got a very long to way to go before it's considered trustworthy again.

More than any other sport....cleaner these days than tennis, rugby and certainly athletics.

It may well be cleaner than the sports you mention (I myself am not convinced, but it sounds like you probably know a lot more about cycling than me).
However the point in question is the public perception of the sport, not the reality.
For anyone who does not follow cycling closely enough to see what measures the UCI have taken to clean up the sport, the likelihood is they still think most of the peloton are doping.
In the news this year alone, as well as Lamonde's outburst at this years tour, we've had the infamous Team Sky jiffy bag and Bradley Wiggins with enough TUE certificates to re-paper his living room.
To someone who may just read about cycling when it appears in their morning paper, it really doesn't look good.