FW 180 wrote:Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.
Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.
But cycling is starting it's climb back to respectability from a much lower base than any sport I can think of.
It's not all that long ago you could randomly select any member of the peloton in any professional race and be confident they were on drugs. I can't think of any other sport that has endured such systematic cheating for so long.
And the man in the street is never going to have faith in cycling whilst you've got people like Greg Lamonde accusing Team Sky of cheating during this years Tour De France.
Cycling may have done a lot to clean up it's act, but it's got a very long to way to go before it's considered trustworthy again.
More than any other sport....cleaner these days than tennis, rugby and certainly athletics.
FW 180 wrote:Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.
Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.
But cycling is starting it's climb back to respectability from a much lower base than any sport I can think of.
It's not all that long ago you could randomly select any member of the peloton in any professional race and be confident they were on drugs. I can't think of any other sport that has endured such systematic cheating for so long.
And the man in the street is never going to have faith in cycling whilst you've got people like Greg Lamonde accusing Team Sky of cheating during this years Tour De France.
Cycling may have done a lot to clean up it's act, but it's got a very long to way to go before it's considered trustworthy again.
More than any other sport....cleaner these days than tennis, rugby and certainly athletics.
FW 180 wrote:Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.
Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.
But cycling is starting it's climb back to respectability from a much lower base than any sport I can think of.
It's not all that long ago you could randomly select any member of the peloton in any professional race and be confident they were on drugs. I can't think of any other sport that has endured such systematic cheating for so long.
And the man in the street is never going to have faith in cycling whilst you've got people like Greg Lamonde accusing Team Sky of cheating during this years Tour De France.
Cycling may have done a lot to clean up it's act, but it's got a very long to way to go before it's considered trustworthy again.
More than any other sport....cleaner these days than tennis, rugby and certainly athletics.
It may well be cleaner than the sports you mention (I myself am not convinced, but it sounds like you probably know a lot more about cycling than me).
However the point in question is the public perception of the sport, not the reality.
For anyone who does not follow cycling closely enough to see what measures the UCI have taken to clean up the sport, the likelihood is they still think most of the peloton are doping.
In the news this year alone, as well as Lamonde's outburst at this years tour, we've had the infamous Team Sky jiffy bag and Bradley Wiggins with enough TUE certificates to re-paper his living room.
To someone who may just read about cycling when it appears in their morning paper, it really doesn't look good.
Pretty much agree regarding public perception......The Armstrong scandal was cyclings pandora's box moment. Not certain athletics for example has had its own despite numerous high profile scandals. I'm not 100% convinced by the likes of Bolt and Farrah.....the cynic in me thinks when its to good to be true...etc.
FW 180 wrote:Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.
Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.
But cycling is starting it's climb back to respectability from a much lower base than any sport I can think of.
It's not all that long ago you could randomly select any member of the peloton in any professional race and be confident they were on drugs. I can't think of any other sport that has endured such systematic cheating for so long.
And the man in the street is never going to have faith in cycling whilst you've got people like Greg Lamonde accusing Team Sky of cheating during this years Tour De France.
Cycling may have done a lot to clean up it's act, but it's got a very long to way to go before it's considered trustworthy again.
More than any other sport....cleaner these days than tennis, rugby and certainly athletics.
It may well be cleaner than the sports you mention (I myself am not convinced, but it sounds like you probably know a lot more about cycling than me).
However the point in question is the public perception of the sport, not the reality.
For anyone who does not follow cycling closely enough to see what measures the UCI have taken to clean up the sport, the likelihood is they still think most of the peloton are doping.
In the news this year alone, as well as Lamonde's outburst at this years tour, we've had the infamous Team Sky jiffy bag and Bradley Wiggins with enough TUE certificates to re-paper his living room.
To someone who may just read about cycling when it appears in their morning paper, it really doesn't look good.
Pretty much agree regarding public perception......The Armstrong scandal was cyclings pandora's box moment. Not certain athletics for example has had its own despite numerous high profile scandals. I'm not 100% convinced by the likes of Bolt and Farrah.....the cynic in me thinks when its to good to be true...etc.
Theres a massive US sports radio host I follow alot (Colin Cowherd) and hes convinced Bolt is and always has been doping, its just going to take the next level of drug testing for it to all come out retrospectively.
Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:
But cycling is starting it's climb back to respectability from a much lower base than any sport I can think of.
It's not all that long ago you could randomly select any member of the peloton in any professional race and be confident they were on drugs. I can't think of any other sport that has endured such systematic cheating for so long.
And the man in the street is never going to have faith in cycling whilst you've got people like Greg Lamonde accusing Team Sky of cheating during this years Tour De France.
Cycling may have done a lot to clean up it's act, but it's got a very long to way to go before it's considered trustworthy again.
More than any other sport....cleaner these days than tennis, rugby and certainly athletics.
It may well be cleaner than the sports you mention (I myself am not convinced, but it sounds like you probably know a lot more about cycling than me).
However the point in question is the public perception of the sport, not the reality.
For anyone who does not follow cycling closely enough to see what measures the UCI have taken to clean up the sport, the likelihood is they still think most of the peloton are doping.
In the news this year alone, as well as Lamonde's outburst at this years tour, we've had the infamous Team Sky jiffy bag and Bradley Wiggins with enough TUE certificates to re-paper his living room.
To someone who may just read about cycling when it appears in their morning paper, it really doesn't look good.
Pretty much agree regarding public perception......The Armstrong scandal was cyclings pandora's box moment. Not certain athletics for example has had its own despite numerous high profile scandals. I'm not 100% convinced by the likes of Bolt and Farrah.....the cynic in me thinks when its to good to be true...etc.
Theres a massive US sports radio host I follow alot (Colin Cowherd) and hes convinced Bolt is and always has been doping, its just going to take the next level of drug testing for it to all come out retrospectively.
Seeing as there is no out of season drug testing in Jamaica it is highly likely.
FW 180 wrote:
More than any other sport....cleaner these days than tennis, rugby and certainly athletics.
It may well be cleaner than the sports you mention (I myself am not convinced, but it sounds like you probably know a lot more about cycling than me).
However the point in question is the public perception of the sport, not the reality.
For anyone who does not follow cycling closely enough to see what measures the UCI have taken to clean up the sport, the likelihood is they still think most of the peloton are doping.
In the news this year alone, as well as Lamonde's outburst at this years tour, we've had the infamous Team Sky jiffy bag and Bradley Wiggins with enough TUE certificates to re-paper his living room.
To someone who may just read about cycling when it appears in their morning paper, it really doesn't look good.
Pretty much agree regarding public perception......The Armstrong scandal was cyclings pandora's box moment. Not certain athletics for example has had its own despite numerous high profile scandals. I'm not 100% convinced by the likes of Bolt and Farrah.....the cynic in me thinks when its to good to be true...etc.
Theres a massive US sports radio host I follow alot (Colin Cowherd) and hes convinced Bolt is and always has been doping, its just going to take the next level of drug testing for it to all come out retrospectively.
Seeing as there is no out of season drug testing in Jamaica it is highly likely.
Kerching....pretty much non existent. Its more likely that if even if Bolt tested positive there's more chance if would be swept under the carpet anyway.
Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:
It may well be cleaner than the sports you mention (I myself am not convinced, but it sounds like you probably know a lot more about cycling than me).
However the point in question is the public perception of the sport, not the reality.
For anyone who does not follow cycling closely enough to see what measures the UCI have taken to clean up the sport, the likelihood is they still think most of the peloton are doping.
In the news this year alone, as well as Lamonde's outburst at this years tour, we've had the infamous Team Sky jiffy bag and Bradley Wiggins with enough TUE certificates to re-paper his living room.
To someone who may just read about cycling when it appears in their morning paper, it really doesn't look good.
Pretty much agree regarding public perception......The Armstrong scandal was cyclings pandora's box moment. Not certain athletics for example has had its own despite numerous high profile scandals. I'm not 100% convinced by the likes of Bolt and Farrah.....the cynic in me thinks when its to good to be true...etc.
Theres a massive US sports radio host I follow alot (Colin Cowherd) and hes convinced Bolt is and always has been doping, its just going to take the next level of drug testing for it to all come out retrospectively.
Seeing as there is no out of season drug testing in Jamaica it is highly likely.
Kerching....pretty much non existent. Its more likely that if even if Bolt tested positive there's more chance if would be swept under the carpet anyway.
Jamaican drug testers spend all day drinking red stripe, wearing straw hats, smoking ganja on a hammock strapped between 2 palm trees.
Its much easier to miss a double or miss a black than take the risk of failing a drug test and there is no way of proving it........well apart from betting patterns that is.......but is that absolute?
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I really enjoyed Gary Anderson 5-4 Darryl fitton in the 2008 grand slam of darts group stages.
Incredible luck for both players that the only result came up which ensured both friends advanced from the group, regardless of results elsewhere in the group.
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For sports like darts and snooker there aren't actually many performance enhancing drugs apart from beta blockers which the PDC took a long time to ban. The bans for recreational drugs are just political as need to be seen to be taking action rather than the person having an unfair advantage.
I think darts doesn't have the bad image of other sports for drugs taking. Cycling is obviously the one most associated in the public's view not helped by the Wiggins TUE controversy. If he'd been a foreigner the British press would have been screaming for a ban and removal of prior wins. You also feel in athletics another drug cheat is just around the corner. Farah doesn't do himself any favours by staying with his dodgy coach in the US, which the press do regularly refer to.
Regarding match fixing in darts the public probably don't realise the opportunities. So in particular with the Premier League playing dead matches and allowing a draw rather than requiring a win same in the GSOD group stage. I guess we haven't seen the spit fixing issues of other sports as darts really isn't a big sport in India and Asia but as others have said it's format gives you plenty of opportunity.
FW 180 wrote:Interesting position of cycling in relation to Rugby, Athletics and Tennis.
Out of those mentioned Cycling imo has done far more to repair its reputation over the last few years. Others still have their heads in the sand to an extent.
Agree with this wholeheartedly
Regularly speak to people at work about cycling and normally the cheating is mentioned more often than not. A stigma I guess
Rout wrote:I really enjoyed Gary Anderson 5-4 Darryl fitton in the 2008 grand slam of darts group stages.
Incredible luck for both players that the only result came up which ensured both friends advanced from the group, regardless of results elsewhere in the group.
It's ok, he was cleared.
"it's the same trolls spouting the same crap every other post.... you have to be some kind of sad act to watch nearly 8 hours of darts a day for 9 days just to post about how crap it is"
I feel some GSOD matches will be mentioned soon, oh blimey i forgot the CLOD
"it's the same trolls spouting the same crap every other post.... you have to be some kind of sad act to watch nearly 8 hours of darts a day for 9 days just to post about how crap it is"
ifm wrote:I feel some GSOD matches will be mentioned soon, oh blimey i forgot the CLOD
Noone mention the fact that the supposed 2 best players in the world shared their prize money for many years. Impacting on the integrity of every final they ever played.
