Integrity in sport - How does darts compare?

[Murphio]

Murph not getting that having nothing to play for means you don't care if you win or lose, there's a reason deals are banned in many sports, probably darts too.

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Nope; I already addressed that point Stents. Taylor and Priestly had a keen rivalry and both were desperate to beat the other. In any case you could actually argue that offering a monetary incentive in the first place affects the integrity of sport more than their being nothing riding on it. Sport in its purest form is about the reward of winning, of being the best in a chosen field. When you offer a monetary prize you are introducing a variable beyond this reward. A person with plenty in the bank, like Taylor, will potentially have less pressure on him than someone who is desperate for the dough. Have a think about it Stents before you reply with more of your total fuckkwittery.

No, you made another stupid attempt at defending the indefensible, if what you say were even credible why would savers and deals be banned?
Oh yeah, because they might influence the results you donut.

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In that case offering money in the first place 'influences' the result Stents you amadan. Using that logic, the whole concept of 'professional' sport undermines the very integrity of it. Playing for nothing other than the prestige, like Priestley and Taylor did, is actually closer to sport in its purest form than introducing a variable which inevitably affects the performance of the competitors. I know you are probably struggling with this Stents so maybe leave reading it back until the fog clears.

You and Garry Really are the stereotypical thick Irish aren't you?
I'm astonished you manage to feed and water yourselves.

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Don't cry Stents.

[Murphio]

Well to go off at a tangent, that's why many people, me included, don't often look at commercialism and capitalism being the bedrock of a sport as a good thing.

You obviously can, however - being a fairly reasonable and intelligent bloke - see the point I'm making? If the removal of a financial incentive potentially affects the outcome and therefore integrity of a sporting event; then taking that reasoning to its logical conclusion means that offering a reward in the first place does exactly the same thing!

People endeavoured to run faster, jump higher and swim longer for no other reason than to be the best in their chosen field. When cash incentives were introduced (or sports became professional) a variable was introduced which inevitably had the potential to impact performance. Perhaps some competitors were inspired to to perform better. Maybe others were burdened with the pressure.

Whatever the case; the removal of financial incentive is closer to sport in its purest form than not. The vast, vast majority of people who play sports competively do so for no financial reward whatsoever. It's called amateurism and the notion the lack of money means competitors aren't bothered (and I know you didn't make the point) is so risable It's not even worth debating.

In a nutshell; if removing a cash incentive for winning a sports event throws up questions of integrity then so too does offering a financial reward in the first place. The one argument is laughing at the other.

[Buzz Fledderjohn]

Well to go off at a tangent, that's why many people, me included, don't often look at commercialism and capitalism being the bedrock of a sport as a good thing.

That's fair enough. The vast majority of incidents that bring sports integrity into question have money at their root.
I've no objection to sports being played professionally and am happy enough for the elite to earn good livings while they can during what will be a relatively short career, but the obscene amounts of money sloshing around in sports such as football these days does a lot more harm than good in my opinion

[ifm]

Players split for years, Bristow, Lowe, Jocky were all at it.
Used to be part and parcel of the game.
Not so any more.

I don't doubt the first part though savers are still a big part of the game today.

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Have you read Lowes autobiography?
He was at it with everyone.
Bristow also wrote that he stopped splitting with John, just before he weighed in with the 9 darter.
Apparently he was gutted.
Always thought it would have been prize money for the tournament winnings split, not personal achievement prizes. However, Lowe said Eric had fekked up, so I guess he would have given him something.

I have a 9 darter story but I'd have to pm it.....

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[BlueSpark]

Players split for years, Bristow, Lowe, Jocky were all at it.
Used to be part and parcel of the game.
Not so any more.

I don't doubt the first part though savers are still a big part of the game today.

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Have you read Lowes autobiography?
He was at it with everyone.
Bristow also wrote that he stopped splitting with John, just before he weighed in with the 9 darter.
Apparently he was gutted.
Always thought it would have been prize money for the tournament winnings split, not personal achievement prizes. However, Lowe said Eric had fekked up, so I guess he would have given him something.

I have a 9 darter story but I'd have to pm it.....

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Off you go then

[FW 180]

Slightly OT....

Highly suspicious of great british Mo being clean.....the whole Salazar thing doesn't sit right with me.

[Ecky Thump]

Apart from jackpotjoy what were the others?

Apart from all the others, I can't think of one.

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Apart from all the others?
Well what were they?

Jackpotjoy was one

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Well yes.
But there have been plenty apparently

Coral to a small extent , but they have no interest any longer in BDO events.

[WCDPA]

Players split for years, Bristow, Lowe, Jocky were all at it.
Used to be part and parcel of the game.
Not so any more.

I don't doubt the first part though savers are still a big part of the game today.

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Have you read Lowes autobiography?
He was at it with everyone.
Bristow also wrote that he stopped splitting with John, just before he weighed in with the 9 darter.
Apparently he was gutted.
Always thought it would have been prize money for the tournament winnings split, not personal achievement prizes. However, Lowe said Eric had fekked up, so I guess he would have given him something.

I have a 9 darter story but I'd have to pm it.....

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Would that be the Phil / Mace story ??

[BlueSpark]

Players split for years, Bristow, Lowe, Jocky were all at it.
Used to be part and parcel of the game.
Not so any more.

I don't doubt the first part though savers are still a big part of the game today.

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Have you read Lowes autobiography?
He was at it with everyone.
Bristow also wrote that he stopped splitting with John, just before he weighed in with the 9 darter.
Apparently he was gutted.
Always thought it would have been prize money for the tournament winnings split, not personal achievement prizes. However, Lowe said Eric had fekked up, so I guess he would have given him something.

I have a 9 darter story but I'd have to pm it.....

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Would that be the Phil / Mace story ??

No one knows, as he omitted to send this "story"

[ifm]

Players split for years, Bristow, Lowe, Jocky were all at it.
Used to be part and parcel of the game.
Not so any more.

I don't doubt the first part though savers are still a big part of the game today.

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Have you read Lowes autobiography?
He was at it with everyone.
Bristow also wrote that he stopped splitting with John, just before he weighed in with the 9 darter.
Apparently he was gutted.
Always thought it would have been prize money for the tournament winnings split, not personal achievement prizes. However, Lowe said Eric had fekked up, so I guess he would have given him something.

I have a 9 darter story but I'd have to pm it.....

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Would that be the Phil / Mace story ??

Indeed.