What would you do in January if you were Glenn?

[Deleted User]

Or he could just "do a Bunting" and wait for the cheque to clear before switching.

Indication from Paul is that the gap between the end of Lakeside and the payments being made is to be "several weeks". Also this assumes they are handing out Tour Cards for free again, which they wont be doing according to Hearn.

Bazza will strike a deal with Duzza.

[nikkiboy]

Or he could just "do a Bunting" and wait for the cheque to clear before switching.

Indication from Paul is that the gap between the end of Lakeside and the payments being made is to be "several weeks". Also this assumes they are handing out Tour Cards for free again, which they wont be doing according to Hearn.

Bazza will strike a deal with Duzza.

You heard it here first folks

[Deleted User]

And Wazza.

[Zapp Brannigan]

Or he could just "do a Bunting" and wait for the cheque to clear before switching.

Indication from Paul is that the gap between the end of Lakeside and the payments being made is to be "several weeks". Also this assumes they are handing out Tour Cards for free again, which they wont be doing according to Hearn.

Bazza will strike a deal with Duzza.

You heard it here first folks

Not Bazza but Id be shocked if Porter wasnt speaking to the BDO lads all week.

Also its wouldnt be the first time the PDC offered money to players, If Porter offered all 40 lads the PDC will match their loss of lakeside earning if they come to Qschool and get a tour card would it really put that much of a dent in Finances.

If Winstanley can be offered 100K to switch then Duzza is surely worth that.

[Zapp Brannigan]

A name not mentioned but anyone think Hughes might switch as well?

Glen brought him up in an interview that they are really good mates and Hughes has had 2 tastes of the GSOD. Hes said before his entire goal for the seasons is to get to lakeside one way or another to secure the money, hes good enough to get a tour card and earn that money on the PDC tour.

[The Crusader]

My issue is the timing of the contract.

Surely it should be in the 1st comp you enter in the year that if you qualify and get to semis or further at Lakeside you lose any winnings from Lakeside if you then switch.

That way players choose early in year which code to play in.

[Murphio]

Michael van Gerwen could win Ally Pally on January 1, hand back his tour card and return to the BDO the following day. It would not cost him the prize money he won fair and square. To compare the exclusivity contract signed at the PDC with the Lakeside contract is beyond laughable. It ties no one to the organisation for any length of time; any player is free to play for a rival org any time they wish.

The BDO are retrospectively holding a gun to their players heads, threatening to recoup winnings earned fair and square if a player exercises his own freedom of movement. Moreover; the PDC contract only includes TV events. Tour card holders can still play in BDO events. Many still play county. I have no problem with the BDO doing what the PDC does; stipulating if you are going to play their tour and gain ranking points for Winmau, Lakeside and others then you can't be a PDC Tour Card holder. That is fair and no different to their rivals' contract. The extra stipulation added for Lakeside which entitles the BDO to withhold prize money should players switch is the issue. It is immoral, unfair and possibly illegal.

[Booji Boy]

Michael van Gerwen could win Ally Pally on January 1, hand back his tour card and return to the BDO the following day. It would not cost him the prize money he won fair and square. To compare the exclusivity contract signed at the PDC with the Lakeside contract is beyond laughable. It ties no one to the organisation for any length of time; any player is free to play for a rival org any time they wish.

The BDO are retrospectively holding a gun to their players heads, threatening to recoup winnings earned fair and square if a player exercises his own freedom of movement. Moreover; the PDC contract only includes TV events. Tour card holders can still play in BDO events. Many still play county. I have no problem with the BDO doing what the PDC does; stipulating if you are going to play their tour and gain ranking points for Winmau, Lakeside and others then you can't be a PDC Tour Card holder. That is fair and no different to their rivals' contract. The extra stipulation added for Lakeside which entitles the BDO to withhold prize money should players switch is the issue. It is immoral, unfair and possibly illegal.

PDC players pay a 3% levy on all winnings. Could this be what ifm was on about?

[Booji Boy]

"3% levy: As per constitution and rules, all players are subject to a 3% levy on all prize money won at all PDC events."

[Ginge]

Michael van Gerwen could win Ally Pally on January 1, hand back his tour card and return to the BDO the following day. It would not cost him the prize money he won fair and square. To compare the exclusivity contract signed at the PDC with the Lakeside contract is beyond laughable. It ties no one to the organisation for any length of time; any player is free to play for a rival org any time they wish.

The BDO are retrospectively holding a gun to their players heads, threatening to recoup winnings earned fair and square if a player exercises his own freedom of movement. Moreover; the PDC contract only includes TV events. Tour card holders can still play in BDO events. Many still play county. I have no problem with the BDO doing what the PDC does; stipulating if you are going to play their tour and gain ranking points for Winmau, Lakeside and others then you can't be a PDC Tour Card holder. That is fair and no different to their rivals' contract. The extra stipulation added for Lakeside which entitles the BDO to withhold prize money should players switch is the issue. It is immoral, unfair and possibly illegal.

PDC players pay a 3% levy on all winnings. Could this be what ifm was on about?

How is a 3% deduction on the vastly superior prize money a "restraint of trade" or "restrictive"?

Not that I agree with it but it is anything but this.

[Murphio]

Michael van Gerwen could win Ally Pally on January 1, hand back his tour card and return to the BDO the following day. It would not cost him the prize money he won fair and square. To compare the exclusivity contract signed at the PDC with the Lakeside contract is beyond laughable. It ties no one to the organisation for any length of time; any player is free to play for a rival org any time they wish.

The BDO are retrospectively holding a gun to their players heads, threatening to recoup winnings earned fair and square if a player exercises his own freedom of movement. Moreover; the PDC contract only includes TV events. Tour card holders can still play in BDO events. Many still play county. I have no problem with the BDO doing what the PDC does; stipulating if you are going to play their tour and gain ranking points for Winmau, Lakeside and others then you can't be a PDC Tour Card holder. That is fair and no different to their rivals' contract. The extra stipulation added for Lakeside which entitles the BDO to withhold prize money should players switch is the issue. It is immoral, unfair and possibly illegal.

PDC players pay a 3% levy on all winnings. Could this be what ifm was on about?

I never have much idea what he is rambling on about half the time. I don't think anyone has a major problem with the premise that if you go to Q School and win a card you are prevented from playing in BDO ranking events and therefore televised BDO tournaments. Or you don't win a card but can still play on the Challenge Tour. There does exist, of course, a bit of a crossover with players like Ratajski.

But in the main I think both orgs asking exclusivity from players appearing in ranking events and on TV is fair enough. The Lakeside contract is completely different because it prevents players exercising their freedom of movement by the threat of withholding prize money. The PDC does not do this; a Tour Card can be relinquished to accomodate a switch back to the BDO at any time at no cost to earnings.

[dartsfacts]

Every day that goes by, ifm makes himself look an even bigger twat.

[Ginge]

Every day that goes by, ifm makes himself look an even bigger twat.

Hasn't recovered since he spent 2 months defending Warren Brown and De:luxe for no reason whatsoever except to be contrary...

[Booji Boy]

Michael van Gerwen could win Ally Pally on January 1, hand back his tour card and return to the BDO the following day. It would not cost him the prize money he won fair and square. To compare the exclusivity contract signed at the PDC with the Lakeside contract is beyond laughable. It ties no one to the organisation for any length of time; any player is free to play for a rival org any time they wish.

The BDO are retrospectively holding a gun to their players heads, threatening to recoup winnings earned fair and square if a player exercises his own freedom of movement. Moreover; the PDC contract only includes TV events. Tour card holders can still play in BDO events. Many still play county. I have no problem with the BDO doing what the PDC does; stipulating if you are going to play their tour and gain ranking points for Winmau, Lakeside and others then you can't be a PDC Tour Card holder. That is fair and no different to their rivals' contract. The extra stipulation added for Lakeside which entitles the BDO to withhold prize money should players switch is the issue. It is immoral, unfair and possibly illegal.

PDC players pay a 3% levy on all winnings. Could this be what ifm was on about?

I never have much idea what he is rambling on about half the time. I don't think anyone has a major problem with the premise that if you go to Q School and win a card you are prevented from playing in BDO ranking events and therefore televised BDO tournaments. Or you don't win a card but can still play on the Challenge Tour. There does exist, of course, a bit of a crossover with players like Ratajski.

But in the main I think both orgs asking exclusivity from players appearing in ranking events and on TV is fair enough. The Lakeside contract is completely different because it prevents players exercising their freedom of movement by the threat of withholding prize money. The PDC does not do this; a Tour Card can be relinquished to accomodate a switch back to the BDO at any time at no cost to earnings.

Is the bit in bold correct? I thought you were prevented from playing any BDO comps until the end of the bdo season regardless of when you give the tc back, might even be a full 12 months?

[Murphio]

Michael van Gerwen could win Ally Pally on January 1, hand back his tour card and return to the BDO the following day. It would not cost him the prize money he won fair and square. To compare the exclusivity contract signed at the PDC with the Lakeside contract is beyond laughable. It ties no one to the organisation for any length of time; any player is free to play for a rival org any time they wish.

The BDO are retrospectively holding a gun to their players heads, threatening to recoup winnings earned fair and square if a player exercises his own freedom of movement. Moreover; the PDC contract only includes TV events. Tour card holders can still play in BDO events. Many still play county. I have no problem with the BDO doing what the PDC does; stipulating if you are going to play their tour and gain ranking points for Winmau, Lakeside and others then you can't be a PDC Tour Card holder. That is fair and no different to their rivals' contract. The extra stipulation added for Lakeside which entitles the BDO to withhold prize money should players switch is the issue. It is immoral, unfair and possibly illegal.

PDC players pay a 3% levy on all winnings. Could this be what ifm was on about?

I never have much idea what he is rambling on about half the time. I don't think anyone has a major problem with the premise that if you go to Q School and win a card you are prevented from playing in BDO ranking events and therefore televised BDO tournaments. Or you don't win a card but can still play on the Challenge Tour. There does exist, of course, a bit of a crossover with players like Ratajski.

But in the main I think both orgs asking exclusivity from players appearing in ranking events and on TV is fair enough. The Lakeside contract is completely different because it prevents players exercising their freedom of movement by the threat of withholding prize money. The PDC does not do this; a Tour Card can be relinquished to accomodate a switch back to the BDO at any time at no cost to earnings.

Is the bit in bold correct? I thought you were prevented from playing any BDO comps until the end of the bdo season regardless of when you give the tc back, might even be a full 12 months?

You are talking about a BDO rule; not something imposed by the PDC to force their players into staying. In any case the PDC doesn't need to keep players with virtual blackmail; it retains 99 per cent of players with well organised tournaments carrying prestige and huge prize money.

[Booji Boy]

Michael van Gerwen could win Ally Pally on January 1, hand back his tour card and return to the BDO the following day. It would not cost him the prize money he won fair and square. To compare the exclusivity contract signed at the PDC with the Lakeside contract is beyond laughable. It ties no one to the organisation for any length of time; any player is free to play for a rival org any time they wish.

The BDO are retrospectively holding a gun to their players heads, threatening to recoup winnings earned fair and square if a player exercises his own freedom of movement. Moreover; the PDC contract only includes TV events. Tour card holders can still play in BDO events. Many still play county. I have no problem with the BDO doing what the PDC does; stipulating if you are going to play their tour and gain ranking points for Winmau, Lakeside and others then you can't be a PDC Tour Card holder. That is fair and no different to their rivals' contract. The extra stipulation added for Lakeside which entitles the BDO to withhold prize money should players switch is the issue. It is immoral, unfair and possibly illegal.

PDC players pay a 3% levy on all winnings. Could this be what ifm was on about?

I never have much idea what he is rambling on about half the time. I don't think anyone has a major problem with the premise that if you go to Q School and win a card you are prevented from playing in BDO ranking events and therefore televised BDO tournaments. Or you don't win a card but can still play on the Challenge Tour. There does exist, of course, a bit of a crossover with players like Ratajski.

But in the main I think both orgs asking exclusivity from players appearing in ranking events and on TV is fair enough. The Lakeside contract is completely different because it prevents players exercising their freedom of movement by the threat of withholding prize money. The PDC does not do this; a Tour Card can be relinquished to accomodate a switch back to the BDO at any time at no cost to earnings.

Is the bit in bold correct? I thought you were prevented from playing any BDO comps until the end of the bdo season regardless of when you give the tc back, might even be a full 12 months?

You are talking about a BDO rule; not something imposed by the PDC to force their players into staying. In any case the PDC doesn't need to keep players with virtual blackmail; it retains 99 per cent of players with well organised tournaments carrying prestige and huge prize money.

I was asking you a question.

The answer is no player can play in any bdo comp if they have played a pro tour event.

I was not looking for another pedantic pointless argument as seems to be the norm between you and Ifm these days.

[Ginge]

PDC players pay a 3% levy on all winnings. Could this be what ifm was on about?

I never have much idea what he is rambling on about half the time. I don't think anyone has a major problem with the premise that if you go to Q School and win a card you are prevented from playing in BDO ranking events and therefore televised BDO tournaments. Or you don't win a card but can still play on the Challenge Tour. There does exist, of course, a bit of a crossover with players like Ratajski.

But in the main I think both orgs asking exclusivity from players appearing in ranking events and on TV is fair enough. The Lakeside contract is completely different because it prevents players exercising their freedom of movement by the threat of withholding prize money. The PDC does not do this; a Tour Card can be relinquished to accomodate a switch back to the BDO at any time at no cost to earnings.

Is the bit in bold correct? I thought you were prevented from playing any BDO comps until the end of the bdo season regardless of when you give the tc back, might even be a full 12 months?

You are talking about a BDO rule; not something imposed by the PDC to force their players into staying. In any case the PDC doesn't need to keep players with virtual blackmail; it retains 99 per cent of players with well organised tournaments carrying prestige and huge prize money.

I was asking you a question.

The answer is no player can play in any bdo comp if they have played a pro tour event.

I was not looking for another pedantic pointless argument as seems to be the norm between you and Ifm these days.

Which organisation is putting that restriction in place?

[ifm]

I see the usual idiots are rallying around switchers.

#nobodycares

[Booji Boy]

I never have much idea what he is rambling on about half the time. I don't think anyone has a major problem with the premise that if you go to Q School and win a card you are prevented from playing in BDO ranking events and therefore televised BDO tournaments. Or you don't win a card but can still play on the Challenge Tour. There does exist, of course, a bit of a crossover with players like Ratajski.

But in the main I think both orgs asking exclusivity from players appearing in ranking events and on TV is fair enough. The Lakeside contract is completely different because it prevents players exercising their freedom of movement by the threat of withholding prize money. The PDC does not do this; a Tour Card can be relinquished to accomodate a switch back to the BDO at any time at no cost to earnings.

Is the bit in bold correct? I thought you were prevented from playing any BDO comps until the end of the bdo season regardless of when you give the tc back, might even be a full 12 months?

You are talking about a BDO rule; not something imposed by the PDC to force their players into staying. In any case the PDC doesn't need to keep players with virtual blackmail; it retains 99 per cent of players with well organised tournaments carrying prestige and huge prize money.

I was asking you a question.

The answer is no player can play in any bdo comp if they have played a pro tour event.

I was not looking for another pedantic pointless argument as seems to be the norm between you and Ifm these days.

Which organisation is putting that restriction in place?

Murph said a player can hand back his tour card and go and play bdo. He was wrong. who makes the rules is neither here nor there in this context.

[Murphio]

PDC players pay a 3% levy on all winnings. Could this be what ifm was on about?

I never have much idea what he is rambling on about half the time. I don't think anyone has a major problem with the premise that if you go to Q School and win a card you are prevented from playing in BDO ranking events and therefore televised BDO tournaments. Or you don't win a card but can still play on the Challenge Tour. There does exist, of course, a bit of a crossover with players like Ratajski.

But in the main I think both orgs asking exclusivity from players appearing in ranking events and on TV is fair enough. The Lakeside contract is completely different because it prevents players exercising their freedom of movement by the threat of withholding prize money. The PDC does not do this; a Tour Card can be relinquished to accomodate a switch back to the BDO at any time at no cost to earnings.

Is the bit in bold correct? I thought you were prevented from playing any BDO comps until the end of the bdo season regardless of when you give the tc back, might even be a full 12 months?

You are talking about a BDO rule; not something imposed by the PDC to force their players into staying. In any case the PDC doesn't need to keep players with virtual blackmail; it retains 99 per cent of players with well organised tournaments carrying prestige and huge prize money.

I was asking you a question.

The answer is no player can play in any bdo comp if they have played a pro tour event.

I was not looking for another pedantic pointless argument as seems to be the norm between you and Ifm these days.

What on earth are you talking about? It is you who has lumped two utterly irrelevant points into the debate. First the 3 per cent levy on winnings (eh what???) then the above. The point I stated, which is 100 per cent correct, is that any PDC player is free to relinquish a Tour Card at any time to accommodate a move to the BDO at no cost to their prize money. That their may be a waiting period imposed by the BDO is neither here nor there in relation to that. Both orgs impose similar exclusivity stipulations; only one blackmails its own players with their prize money.