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ssjsa wrote:Christopher Kempf, the new statistical analyst of the PDC, takes a statistical look at the differences between double 16 and double 20.

A CHANGING of the guard took place at the William Hill World Darts Championship, not only with respect to the retirement of the veteran champion Phil Taylor or to Rob Cross' long-awaited defeat of world number one Michael van Gerwen, but also to the shifting strategies of players choosing a finishing double.

The 2017/2018 World Championship was the first in at least a decade in which each of the four semi-finalists preferred, won more legs on, and threw more darts at, double 16 than they did with respect to double 20.

It was also notable for the early eliminations of many of the traditional adherents of tops over double 16: none of James Wade, Adrian Lewis, Dave Chisnall, Peter Wright, Alan Norris or Jelle Klaasen - all of whom threw far more darts at tops in 2017 than they did at the other go-to double - advanced beyond the second round.

Van Gerwen, Jamie Lewis, Rob Cross and Phil Taylor by themselves hit 43% of the tournament's double 16s, with an accuracy approaching 50%, and only 16% of the tournament's double tops.

Throughout the World Championship, double 16 proved to be, on balance, the easier and more advantageous double of the two at which to throw for the leg.

The green bed had the higher doubles percentage (45.9%) than the red (41.1%).

Each of the doubles reached by missing double 16 to the inside (double eight and double four), moreover, had higher checkout percentages than those in the double 20 sequence (double ten and double five) - compare the wide gap between double four (44.4%) and double five (36.7%).

Players also missed double top to the inside 28.1% of the time, forcing themselves to switch to smaller doubles more frequently than double 16 throwers, who split their scores only 21.1% of the time.

These findings confirm data gathered in 2017 for the PDC as a whole, which indicate that the 32 checkout is a safer bet than 40, that doubles ten and five are more risky than doubles eight and four, and that the fear of missing to the inside, especially on the double 20 route, can substantially affect the likelihood of winning the leg.

The difference in outcomes between tops and double 16 becomes most striking when comparing checkout attempts between 41 and 52, in which a player can freely choose to leave one double or the other.

Of the 159 instances at Ally Pally in which a single number was successfully hit to set up two darts at a double at either D20 or D16, players in 80% of cases chose to set up the lesser of the two and checked out in 73% of attempts, while those who opted for "top of the shop" won the leg in that visit only 60% of the time.

If those probabilities remained constant in the long run across the PDC, favourers of double 16 could expect to win at least one more leg than their rivals in every match in which such the 41-52 checkout scenario presented itself half a dozen times.

It is not immediately clear why double 16 should have a higher checkout percentage than the equally-sized double 20.

To be sure, the astronomical 46% accuracy attained on double 16 at the World Championship was affected by the top players' propensity to throw for that double, which inflated the tournament percentage.

Phil Taylor, in particular, demonstrated for the final time his uncanny accuracy on double 16, which he missed to the inside only four times en route to 34 checkouts on his most frequently attempted double.

However, double 16 still has about a 2.5% advantage over tops in checkout percentage for the PDC as a whole. Why is this?

For one thing, double 20 is located at the highest point on the dartboard, above any of the trebles which a player might attempt en route to that double.

In contrast, double 16 is located roughly at the same height as the treble 19, which most players will attempt at least once during a leg.

The less extreme switch to double 16 from any other target may improve the overall odds of a checkout.

Furthermore, the layout of segments on the board may create a small inherent advantage for double 16's fans.

For players who miss double 16 to the inside, almost no adjustment is necessary. Double eight is immediately adjacent to double 16 and presents the player with a target that is very similarly shaped, along with double four, to the one at which he had just aimed.

In contrast, missing double 20 inside requires a dramatic switch to nearly the other end of the board for a vertically-oriented bed in double ten, and then all the way back again for the horizontal double five if it comes into play.

The most glaring difference between the two routes becomes apparent when considering the problem of double five.

As the only odd double that can be typically be accessed from either of the two doubles, double five presents the player with the possibility of wasting a dart at double if he misses to the inside, and thus encourages him to aim higher than he normally would to avoid it.

Missing double ten to the inside, and forcing a switch to the dreaded double five, presents similar anxieties to the double 20 aficionado.

Accordingly, double five has one of the lowest overall doubles percentages of any double on the board, and finishing a score of ten in three darts (58.2%) is statistically less probable than finishing 60 (59.7%).

The corresponding double in the 16 sequence, double four, has none of these problems and is in fact hit with greater accuracy than doubles 20, ten or five.

This is not to say that double 20 is never the best option.

For many players who prefer it unequivocally, especially Gary Anderson, throwing for double 16 instead of double 20 would disrupt the natural flow and facility of their games.

And, of course, a clinical command of double 20 is indispensable for checkouts of 53 and above - that is to say tops cannot ever be eliminated from a player's game, no matter how much he may dislike it.

But however small the comparative advantages of double 16 may be, they are real and in the long run they may result in winning the few extra legs that could make the difference in a players' career.
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Christopher has done some work on the best sets at Lakeside compared with Ally Pally.

Take a look at Christopher Kempf (@ochepedia): https://twitter.com/ochepedia?s=09
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ssjsa wrote:Christopher has done some work on the best sets at Lakeside compared with Ally Pally.

Take a look at Christopher Kempf (@ochepedia): https://twitter.com/ochepedia?s=09
Maybe ask him which was the most hit doubles in percentage terms...
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Ginge wrote:
ssjsa wrote:Christopher has done some work on the best sets at Lakeside compared with Ally Pally.

Take a look at Christopher Kempf (@ochepedia): https://twitter.com/ochepedia?s=09
Maybe ask him which was the most hit doubles in percentage terms...
I did. And this was his response.

Doubles with 50+ attempts. D16 route was significantly better than D20:
D16 - 45.9% D5 - 36.7%
D4 - 44.5% D2 - 36.5%
D8 - 43.2% D6 - 35.6%
D12 - 42.5% D14 - 35.0%
D18 - 42.4% D9 - 31.8%
D20 - 41.1% Bull - 25.6%
D10 - 38.5%
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Tweet from Christopher:

T20 T20 D15 is the most popular route from 150 - 41% of players who hit T20 first dart switch to the T18. However, 25% of players (including Rob Cross) prefer the T19 route, which appears to have a higher overall success rate.
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Tweet from Christopher on how often Treble 18 is thrown at.

Treble 18s attempted, per 100 darts thrown:
5,75 - Cross
5.30 - Price
5.02 - Whitlock
4.27 - MvG
4.24 - Smith
4.09 - Anderson
2.57 - Mensur
2.51 - Gurney
2.35 - RvB
1.19 - Wright
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Treble 19s attempted, per 100 darts thrown:
25.00 - Price
21.73 - MvG
19.55 - Cross
18.42 - Whitlock
16.87 - Anderson
15.27 - Smith
13.38 - Gurney
5.96 - Mensur
3.88 - RvB
3.25 - Wright
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Bullseyes/25s attempted (excluding checkout attempts), per 100 darts thrown:
2.45 - Mensur
2.39 - Gurney
2.19 - Price
1.99 - RvB
1.96 - MvG
1.52 - Wright
1.08 - Whitlock
0.71 - Cross
0.60 - Anderson
0.53 - Smith
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MvG is on a streak of 23 consecutive TV matches with a 100+ average. No one else in professional darts has an active streak of even two 100+ matches.
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ssjsa wrote:MvG is on a streak of 23 consecutive TV matches with a 100+ average. No one else in professional darts has an active streak of even two 100+ matches.
This is quite an amazing stat and really shows MVG's consistentcy, all the more surprising he didn't win the Worlds.

What was Phil Taylors longest run of 100+ averages on TV?
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So MVG posts another 100+ average yesterday (though only just in the end with a few missed doubles), 23 games on TV in a row with a 100+.

You would think the streak may come to end during the PL as short format less time to increase an average if he makes a poor start and vice versa it can drop pretty quick with a few missed doubles at the end.
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Tweet from Christopher.

Checkout stats from UK Open qualifiers 1-3. Further statistical evidence for choosing D16 over D20:
3 darts at D20 (40): 69.3% (855 / 1233)
3 darts at D10 (20): 67.1% (474 / 706)

3 darts at D16 (32): 75.2% (464 / 617)
3 darts at D8 (16): 76.1% (405 / 532)
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An article Christopher wrote in his role as PDC Statistician.

https://www.pdc.tv/news/2018/02/09/stat ... r-not-bull
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Some 2018 stats for ton-plus checkouts (99, 101-170).
Mensur is not only on top, but has been completing an astounding 35% of 101-130 checkout attempts this year. The PDC average is less than half that percentage.
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Dawson Murschell has won 10 of the 11 last-leg deciders he's played in 2018, including one against world #2 Peter Wright just today.
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HIghest PDC single-match averages of 2018:
125.25 - J. Hughes v Green (ET 1-UKQ)
117.99 - R. Cross v Dekker (UKOQ 5)
113.97 - R. Cross v De Decker (UKOQ 4)
112.20 (L) - J. Dekker v de Zwaan (UKOQ 4)
112.16 (L) - J. Dekker v Cross (UKOQ 5)
112.08 - G. Anderson v Thornton (PC 2)
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ssjsa wrote:Dawson Murschell has won 10 of the 11 last-leg deciders he's played in 2018, including one against world #2 Peter Wright just today.
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Current 2018 PDC leaders in 4-visit legs:

Most 10-darters:
Rob Cross 6
Daryl Gurney 4

Most 11-darters:
Rob Cross 22
Michael van Gerwen 20

Most 12-darters:
Michael van Gerwen 53
Rob Cross 33
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ssjsa wrote:Current 2018 PDC leaders in 4-visit legs:

Most 10-darters:
Rob Cross 6
Daryl Gurney 4

Most 11-darters:
Rob Cross 22
Michael van Gerwen 20

Most 12-darters:
Michael van Gerwen 53
Rob Cross 33

Rob Cross looks like he is here to stay based on this level of consistency.
but who knows, its easy to ride the wave when its going well!
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Daryl Gurney has now attempted 32 consecutive 100+ checkouts on TV without achieving a finish.
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