World Champions down the years: BDO v Taylor

[Murphio]

Seen it mentioned on another thread re a discussion going on elsewhere. Seems to me, if we can leave the trolling to one side, an excellent topic for discussion. Which world champions, if any, would have toppled the Power? I have no doubt there would have been some. You also have to bear in mind, of course, the respective fields. I personally think Burnett, Barney, Hankey and Walton would have had a decent chance. Maybe even Tony David the way he was playing. The rest.... not for me.

[Mgt]

Seen it mentioned on another thread re a discussion going on elsewhere. Seems to me, if we can leave the trolling to one side, an excellent topic for discussion. Which world champions, if any, would have toppled the Power? I have no doubt there would have been some. You also have to bear in mind, of course, the respective fields. I personally think Burnett, Barney, Hankey and Walton would have had a decent chance. Maybe even Tony David the way he was playing. The rest.... not for me.

Hard to say, since you're only comparing the champions and not the strength of the field. In most years Taylor was obviously the best player in the world, but he wasn't unbeatable every year as evidenced by Part's and Barney's World Titles. I suspect in a fully united field, Taylor would have stumbled an extra 2/4 times on his way to the title. Who would've taken advantage of that is hard to say, although Barney and Hankey definitely are top candidates imho.

[DavidB]

Burnett and Barney both played Taylor in HtH and both lost.

The way Hankey and Walton played in their respective Lakeside wins plus generally I think both would have had a chance at beating Taylor - John Boy’s scoring and his finishing the year he won Winmau and Lakeside were on a par no question.

[FoundSidInTheBar]

I only ever saw one guy I thought could beat Taylor/the PDC champ in that year, and it was Ted Hankey. Should've gone over much, much earlier in his career.

[devosteve]

94 Priestley v Part
95 Taylor v Burnett
96 Taylor v Beaton
97 Taylor v Wallace
98 Taylor v Barneveld
99 Taylor v Barneveld
00 Taylor v Hankey
01 Taylor v Walton
02 Taylor v David
03 Part v Barneveld
04 Taylor v Fordham
05 Taylor v Barneveld
06 Taylor v Klaasen
07 Barneveld v Adams
08 Part v Webster
09 Taylor v Hankey
10 Taylor v Adams
11 Lewis v Adams
12 Lewis v Kist
13 Taylor v Waites
14 Van Gerwen v Bunting
15 Anderson v Mitchell
16 Anderson v Waites
17 Van Gerwen v Durrant
18 Cross v Durrant

The original post from real fanatics. The poster reckoned on a head to head basis it would be 13-13.

obviously some folks on there just point scoring but like op on here interesting subject.

[The Jolly Man]

Since 09 the pdc winner would have beaten the BDO winner.

08 not sure. Part won what was one of the strangest finals. But would he have still beaten Webster?

07 greatest final ever in the darts. then you get back to Taylor dominance. Could probably have beaten anyone anywhere

[Little Lonely Garry]

The poster reckoned on a head to head basis it would be 13-13.

by being a member of bdo fanatics its pretty obvious they are starting with a biased outlook since they declare themselve bdo fanatics.

They are hardly going to be impartial.
Add in the hatred most have for taylor and those who left the bdo and you are hardly gonna get an unbiased approach.

Likewise on here, there is some that will vote bdo regardless, as there will be some vote pdc regardless.
In the end it only matters what each person thinks themselves without trying to troll.

[Canuck_bully]

How many would Taylor have won had it all been played under a unified field (of course darts would of died without the split so hypothetical), something we can only speculate on, some of the early rounds would of been much tougher for Taylor where shocks are more likely but I still say he would of won at least 12 titles. I think once Barney came over in 2007 this is when the pendulum swung and the PDC could boast in general most of the top players in the world, Taylor won 3 world titles in 11 years from 2007-2018 so now where near as dominant as he was pre 2007, though he still won more world championships than anyone else in those 11 years.

[Little Lonely Garry]

I reckon Taylor would have won every single one of them.
No one can prove me wrong.

[Zapp Brannigan]

94 Priestley v Part
95 Taylor v Burnett
96 Taylor v Beaton
97 Taylor v Wallace
98 Taylor v Barneveld
99 Taylor v Barneveld
00 Taylor v Hankey
01 Taylor v Walton
02 Taylor v David
03 Part v Barneveld
04 Taylor v Fordham
05 Taylor v Barneveld
06 Taylor v Klaasen
07 Barneveld v Adams
08 Part v Webster
09 Taylor v Hankey
10 Taylor v Adams
11 Lewis v Adams
12 Lewis v Kist
13 Taylor v Waites
14 Van Gerwen v Bunting
15 Anderson v Mitchell
16 Anderson v Waites
17 Van Gerwen v Durrant
18 Cross v Durrant

The original post from real fanatics. The poster reckoned on a head to head basis it would be 13-13.

obviously some folks on there just point scoring but like op on here interesting subject.

09 onwards it’s PDC, with maybe Adams on form taking a lacklustre Lewis from that year (or it could have been Lewis 2nd year that was meh)

Id take Webster to beat part that year

04-08 is PDC although I’d of taken an 05 Barney to give Taylor a good game

03 I’m taking barney over Part

2000 Hankey beats Taylor

90s is 50/50 you never know what a really good inform play would have done to Taylor

[trotter]

1 BDO winner for me..03 .Barney v Part
..you never know what would happen on the day as all the match ups are good..

[ssjsa]

I reckon Taylor would have won every single one of them.
No one can prove me wrong.

And neither can you prove yourself right.

[Little Lonely Garry]

I reckon Taylor would have won every single one of them.
No one can prove me wrong.

And neither can you prove yourself right.

why would anyone have to prove to themselves what they automatically believe anyway.

Your post makes zero sense.

[thecat]

Taylor averaged 102 in 2000, Hankey 91...think Taylor would have won convincingly

[Murphio]

I think Taylor would have lost in two or three down to pure complacency. But if he'd been in the BDO he'd have upped his game accordingly. But how ca6n you say. Taylor was and is the best there will ever be. But it's a god dam shame we darts fans didn't get to see him play Beaton, Wallace, David, Burnett, Hankey, Walton etc at their ultimate peak.

[PT13]

None of them would have. First to 6 and 7 sets, Taylor beats the lot. Sheer consistency wears them all down, let alone peak Power.

1 BDO winner for me..03 .Barney v Part

Why? The best BDO player in 2002 was certainly Tony David, not Barney, so Barney wasn't the main form horse going into the last Embassy in 2003. Part had been very consistent for 2 years before the 2003 World Championship, usually beaten in TV events by a dominant Taylor, and became the second best player in this period. Taylor beat Part 7-0 in sets in the 2001 World Championship final, 16-4 in legs in the 2001 World Matchplay quarter final, 6-0 in sets in the 2002 World Championship quarter final. Nobody thought Part would get double digits in legs in the 2002 World Matchplay final, yet Taylor had to win the last 3 legs for an 18-16 legs win. Then there was the 2002 World Grand Prix final, an amazing standard with Taylor winning 7-3 in sets over Part. Part then delivers and beats Taylor 7-6 in sets in the 2003 World Championship final.

Part stood up against the dominant Taylor, refused to get demoralized, fought back and made it competitive, and eventually beat Taylor in the biggest tournament. While Part then lost his 2001-early 2003 consistency in following years and never really regained it, Part was responsible for 4 of Taylor's 5 losses on TV from 2003-2005.

[Moongoose McQueeen]

Firstly, this was my post on Real fanatics

Secondly, I miscounted and there's actually 25 not 26 potential matchups

Thirdly, I wasn't trolling and I'll tell you why

94 Priestley v Part - Priestley comfortably. Part won in a depleted BDO field and Dennis was class. 1-0
95 Taylor v Burnett - Taylor playing yanks and Tommy Cox's contacts list. Burnett was immense for a spell in the mid 90's. 1-1
96 Taylor v Beaton - As much as I love Steve Beaton I think Taylor's steely nerve would hold better. 2-1
97 Taylor v Wallace - Nobody was beating Les Wallace that year at Lakeside. PDC Worlds still lacklustre in comparison. 2-2
98 Taylor v Barneveld - Poor PDC Worlds. Barney getting over the line. Just. 2-3
99 Taylor v Barneveld - Taylor beat Barney in the H2H. So there's evidence there. Taylor wins. 3-3
00 Taylor v Hankey - Like Wallace, Ted was immaculate that year in the much stronger field. Fancy Ted to pip Taylor (with a 170?) 3-4
01 Taylor v Walton - Sounds like a broken record at present but Walton unbeatable for a time in the stronger field. 3-5
02 Taylor v David - For David read Walton. Think it'd be close though. 3-6
03 Part v Barneveld - Barney the better player at this time and should win. 3-7
04 Taylor v Fordham - Taylor won the H2H and was the better player. 4-7
05 Taylor v Barneveld - Think Taylor wins this as Barney remembers the h2h loss in 99. 5-7
06 Taylor v Klaasen - Taylor wins easily. Klaasen too eratic and scoring not strong enough. 6-7
07 Barneveld v Adams - Barney winning the best final ever and Adams finally winning the big one. Barney wins 7-7
08 Part v Webster - A strange PDC Worlds sees all the fancied players falter. Webster wins a close game. 7-8
09 Taylor v Hankey - Taylor. To nil. 8-8
10 Taylor v Adams - Taylor wins comfortably. 9-8
11 Lewis v Adams - Adams beat Lewis often in their exhibition tour. He does again in official competition. 9-9
12 Lewis v Kist - Lewis to win despite not being at his best. Kist possibly a flash in the pan? 10-9
13 Taylor v Waites - St. Scotty channels the spirit of his grand slam win to take Taylor all the way and pip him. 10-10
14 Van Gerwen v Bunting - Today's Van Gerwen beats 2014 Bunting. 2014 versions are very close. Bunting wins 10-11
15 Anderson v Mitchell - Mitchell beat Anderson on Talksport. Have to use this as evidence. 10-12
16 Anderson v Waites - Anderson wins very comfortably. 11-12
17 Van Gerwen v Durrant - Glen fights hard but can never get in front. Van Gerwen too strong 12-12
18 Cross v Durrant - Durrant's experience a key factor. Pinches a close one 12-13 to the BDO

[BDO Brad]

One of the best nights of my life was seeing Wolfie beat Lewis at the Circus Tavern in the 2011 champion v champion head to head. I almost wept.

[FoundSidInTheBar]

Anyone saying anyone other than Taylor in late 90s/to about 2002 is off their rocker, exception of one in particular IMO.

Yes, he was playing a (slightly) poorer field, but a 100 average is a 100 average.

94 Priestley v Part - Would edge Dennis on this although close. 1-0
95 Taylor v Burnett - If anyone seriously thinks Richie 'head-shaking' Burnett could mentally hold up against Taylor they're nuts IMO. 2-0
96 Taylor v Beaton - Lol. 3-0
97 Taylor v Wallace - Taylor edges it, but Wallace at his best was good. 4-0
98 Taylor v Barneveld - Taylor wins. 5-0
99 Taylor v Barneveld - Taylor beats him later in the year, so I couldn't see that being any different if this happened. 6-0
00 Taylor v Hankey - I actually think Hankey could've beaten him. 6-1
01 Taylor v Walton - No contest for me, Taylor peaking at this point. 7-1
02 Taylor v David - See above. 8-1
03 Part v Barneveld - Easy win for Barney I reckon - Part beat a poor Taylor. 8-2
04 Taylor v Fordham - Come on. 9-2
05 Taylor v Barneveld - I'll shade this one to Barney given the events of 2 years later. 9-3
06 Taylor v Klaasen - Fastest final ever. 10-3
07 Barneveld v Adams - Barney was arguably somewhere near his best here. 11-3
08 Part v Webster - I actually think Webster might have shaded this. Very poor PDC WC for some reason. 11-4
09 Taylor v Hankey - It's not 2000 any more. 12-4
10 Taylor v Adams - No contest. 13-4
11 Lewis v Adams - Difficult to know with Lewis. I'll say Adams takes this one. 13-5
12 Lewis v Kist - Absolutely no contest even if Lewis was playing worse than usual. 14-5
13 Taylor v Waites - Tough as never seen Waites much. Don't remember Taylor being outstanding that year. i'll be nice and award it the BDO. 14-6
14 Van Gerwen v Bunting - Close but MVG was better for me. 15-6
15 Anderson v Mitchell - LOL. 16-6
16 Anderson v Waites - Waites not as good as 13. Easy win. 17-6
17 Van Gerwen v Durrant - MVG blows away Durrant. 18-6
18 Cross v Durrant - Tough one. I'll go Cross if he sustains THAT level of performance. 19-6

[thecat]

00 Taylor v Hankey - I actually think Hankey could've beaten him. 6-1

As above...Phil’s average was 11 points above hankeys . Think that clip of the 170 finish is going to peoples heads