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Re: PDC Premier League 2019

Post by phil davies » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:13 pm

Mensur Suljovic Fan wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:28 pm
phil davies wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:16 pm
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Surely the prestige of the event is in the eye of the beholder, either player or fan?

For what it's worth Phil, I agree with you in that it is an exhibition tour devoid of any real merit due to the way the field is selected. It's why I rarely bother watching it. The PDC and Sky Sports marketing machines can tell me till they're blue in the face how important and prestigious a competition it is, I'm not listening.

But where it moves away from being an exhibition, and starts to gain legitimacy, is that the players clearly take it very seriously and want to win it. Their reasons for feeling this way are irrelevant. If any player says it's up there with the World Championship as the one they want to win, who am I to tell them they're wrong?
This was basically my point that they only want to win it because of the money. If I came into the PDC as a sponsor and said I want to host an event where I will pay out £300k to the winner then suddenly all the players would really want to win that event it doesn’t mean it has prestige just a big prize fund.
But is it then the case that the large prize fund creates the prestige?
The players may very well be talking through their wallets when they talk about the PL being such a big deal, and one they really want to win, but the players taking it so seriously is what legitimises it as a competition.

Or looking at it from another perspective, how would it affect the World Championship if the prize fund was cut to the levels of a Player's Championship event? Try selling out Ally Pally and getting Sky to show it every day for the best part of a month in those circumstances.(I'm aware what a ludicrous notion this is and am just using it for illustrative purposes before anyone takes it literally)
If it was meritocratic and had a large prize fund then fair enough but the PL isn’t that it is simply an exhibition tour that obviously the players want to win because of the money but other than them and sky(because it gets them a lot of viewers) hyping it. I don’t see how any fan can legitmety think that is a more prestigious event than a meritocratic ranked major. Particularly ones that have more history than the PL.

Don’t get me wrong it’s a magnificent event for the players and the PDC but for hardcore Darts fans they should surely be able to see it for what it is rather than buying into the hype of it being only below the Worlds and Matchplay for prestige.
But that's the thing, there's only 4 current TV events that have been going on longer than the Premier League. Plenty of other events have had (and indeed still have) unmeritocratic aspects, but still, on the whole, every tournament is pretty meritocratic (8 out of 9 ain't bad you have to admit!). Hypothetically speaking, if I'm a player, I'd place the Premier League (where the weakest player is Barney who is still capable in patches) above, say, the Players where you could get very easily get a lucky run and face few stiff challenges
Thing with PL aswell though is you can play pretty shite in a lot of games but still do enough to scrape into the playoffs. Every other event that is ranked bar the GSOD if you get beat your out. Players have even survived the drop for example with 4 points from 9 games.
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Re: PDC Premier League 2019

Post by BlueSpark » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:18 pm

It is an exhibition tour. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have been watching it less and less the last few years tbf. Back in the early days, watched it every week without fail.
Now, there are so many tournaments on throughout the year, I don't feel I am missing anything special.
The Worlds, UK open, Matchplay and the Grand Prix are all I am really interested in. And the Grand Slam, until the BDO entrants are eliminated. So basically, up to the first knockout round.
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Re: PDC Premier League 2019

Post by phil davies » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:23 pm

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Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:18 pm
It is an exhibition tour. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have been watching it less and less the last few years tbf. Back in the early days, watched it every week without fail.
Now, there are so many tournaments on throughout the year, I don't feel I am missing anything special.
The Worlds, UK open, Matchplay and the Grand Prix are all I am really interested in. And the Grand Slam, until the BDO entrants are eliminated. So basically, up to the first knockout round.
They are certainly the big 5 majors IMO. This years PL is less intresting than it has been in a while too as their are zero debutants(the one of games don’t count as they are merely a nice pay package for the Gando replacements) and let’s be honest MvG is going to walk the league phase.
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Re: PDC Premier League 2019

Post by Mensur Suljovic Fan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:41 pm

phil davies wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:13 pm
Mensur Suljovic Fan wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:28 pm
phil davies wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:16 pm
Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:11 am
phil davies wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:22 am


This was basically my point that they only want to win it because of the money. If I came into the PDC as a sponsor and said I want to host an event where I will pay out £300k to the winner then suddenly all the players would really want to win that event it doesn’t mean it has prestige just a big prize fund.
But is it then the case that the large prize fund creates the prestige?
The players may very well be talking through their wallets when they talk about the PL being such a big deal, and one they really want to win, but the players taking it so seriously is what legitimises it as a competition.

Or looking at it from another perspective, how would it affect the World Championship if the prize fund was cut to the levels of a Player's Championship event? Try selling out Ally Pally and getting Sky to show it every day for the best part of a month in those circumstances.(I'm aware what a ludicrous notion this is and am just using it for illustrative purposes before anyone takes it literally)
If it was meritocratic and had a large prize fund then fair enough but the PL isn’t that it is simply an exhibition tour that obviously the players want to win because of the money but other than them and sky(because it gets them a lot of viewers) hyping it. I don’t see how any fan can legitmety think that is a more prestigious event than a meritocratic ranked major. Particularly ones that have more history than the PL.

Don’t get me wrong it’s a magnificent event for the players and the PDC but for hardcore Darts fans they should surely be able to see it for what it is rather than buying into the hype of it being only below the Worlds and Matchplay for prestige.
But that's the thing, there's only 4 current TV events that have been going on longer than the Premier League. Plenty of other events have had (and indeed still have) unmeritocratic aspects, but still, on the whole, every tournament is pretty meritocratic (8 out of 9 ain't bad you have to admit!). Hypothetically speaking, if I'm a player, I'd place the Premier League (where the weakest player is Barney who is still capable in patches) above, say, the Players where you could get very easily get a lucky run and face few stiff challenges
Thing with PL aswell though is you can play pretty shite in a lot of games but still do enough to scrape into the playoffs. Every other event that is ranked bar the GSOD if you get beat your out. Players have even survived the drop for example with 4 points from 9 games.
True, but survival in itself isn't anything to write home about, and if you scrape into 8th place after Judgement Night, you have to play superbly well to even stand a chance of making the play-offs (didn't Barney do that one year?). Obviously it's very difficult to go a season unbeaten these days, but over the course of a season you get what you deserve

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Re: PDC Premier League 2019

Post by Mensur Suljovic Fan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:45 pm

phil davies wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:23 pm
BlueSpark wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:18 pm
It is an exhibition tour. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have been watching it less and less the last few years tbf. Back in the early days, watched it every week without fail.
Now, there are so many tournaments on throughout the year, I don't feel I am missing anything special.
The Worlds, UK open, Matchplay and the Grand Prix are all I am really interested in. And the Grand Slam, until the BDO entrants are eliminated. So basically, up to the first knockout round.
They are certainly the big 5 majors IMO. This years PL is less intresting than it has been in a while too as their are zero debutants(the one of games don’t count as they are merely a nice pay package for the Gando replacements) and let’s be honest MvG is going to walk the league phase.
Haven't watched it religiously for a while (in fact I'll be travelling during opening night), but if anything the new players have made it slightly more interesting for me, more so than a player who would almost certainly be battling to avoid the drop

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Re: PDC Premier League 2019

Post by JOEY » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:45 pm

I love this comp, for the darts but also for the gambler in me, MVG made me a killing on Sunday night so I'm raring to go

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Re: PDC Premier League 2019

Post by Addicks Fan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:21 pm

BlueSpark wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:18 pm
It is an exhibition tour. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have been watching it less and less the last few years tbf. Back in the early days, watched it every week without fail.
Now, there are so many tournaments on throughout the year, I don't feel I am missing anything special.
The Worlds, UK open, Matchplay and the Grand Prix are all I am really interested in. And the Grand Slam, until the BDO entrants are eliminated. So basically, up to the first knockout round.

How can anyone see it as a major? It has only 10 players, the majority are wildcards, and you can win the damn thing whilst losing half the games you play in it! The similarities with tennis and golf majors are, lets see...none! There are plenty of golf and tennis tournaments with huge prize money that are not considered majors, which is exactly how the Premier League should be seen. It serves its purpose, and there's nothing wrong with something not being called a major!

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Re: PDC Premier League 2019

Post by BlueSpark » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:37 pm

Addicks Fan wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:21 pm
BlueSpark wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:18 pm
It is an exhibition tour. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have been watching it less and less the last few years tbf. Back in the early days, watched it every week without fail.
Now, there are so many tournaments on throughout the year, I don't feel I am missing anything special.
The Worlds, UK open, Matchplay and the Grand Prix are all I am really interested in. And the Grand Slam, until the BDO entrants are eliminated. So basically, up to the first knockout round.

How can anyone see it as a major? It has only 10 players, the majority are wildcards, and you can win the damn thing whilst losing half the games you play in it! The similarities with tennis and golf majors are, lets see...none! There are plenty of golf and tennis tournaments with huge prize money that are not considered majors, which is exactly how the Premier League should be seen. It serves its purpose, and there's nothing wrong with something not being called a major!
Quite right mate
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They are certainly not muppets and must truly believe the BDO is marketable”
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They are certainly not muppets and must truly believe the BDO is marketable”
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Re: PDC Premier League 2019

Post by phil davies » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:28 pm

Addicks Fan wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:21 pm
BlueSpark wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:18 pm
It is an exhibition tour. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have been watching it less and less the last few years tbf. Back in the early days, watched it every week without fail.
Now, there are so many tournaments on throughout the year, I don't feel I am missing anything special.
The Worlds, UK open, Matchplay and the Grand Prix are all I am really interested in. And the Grand Slam, until the BDO entrants are eliminated. So basically, up to the first knockout round.

How can anyone see it as a major? It has only 10 players, the majority are wildcards, and you can win the damn thing whilst losing half the games you play in it! The similarities with tennis and golf majors are, lets see...none! There are plenty of golf and tennis tournaments with huge prize money that are not considered majors, which is exactly how the Premier League should be seen. It serves its purpose, and there's nothing wrong with something not being called a major!
More people with sense here I see.
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Post by phil davies » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:30 pm

On a diffrent note who do people think is getting eliminated this year?
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Post by trotter01 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:57 pm

It doesn't really matter what people think but if you listen to MVG he obviously sees the Premier League as a major and rates it as probably second to Ally Pally as a tournament to win....and he's not alone as a player

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Re: PDC Premier League 2019

Post by phil davies » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:03 pm

trotter01 wrote:
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It doesn't really matter what people think but if you listen to MVG he obviously sees the Premier League as a major and rates it as probably second to Ally Pally as a tournament to win....and he's not alone as a player
Because it’s the second biggest prize money. If I set my own personal exhibition tournement with a £300k first prize then he would see that as second to the worlds. It still wouldnt t make it a major
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Post by trotter01 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:43 pm

In terms of wider public profile then it is probably second to Ally Pally in that respect...it's really irrelevant what a few forum people think..

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Post by Skewball » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:30 pm

phil davies wrote:On a diffrent note who do people think is getting eliminated this year?
Don't know, don't care. I never watch it anymore. The most boring major.....

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Re: PDC Premier League 2019

Post by Vriezzer » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:36 pm

There is really 0,0% confidence for Barney. At this moment I can only see Barney's career end like a disaster.
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