Harms criticizes media at Grand Slam
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:54 pm
or C) keep his mounth shut.Ginge wrote:If he doesnt like being called amateur, maybe he can do something about it and either a) become amateur, or b) switch.
Erm, no. There's a term for it, frequently used in football: semi-professional.Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:"Well, the media is regularly labelling us as amateurs. Maybe our prize money is lower and some of us are working behind their darts career as well, but that doesn’t mean we are amateurs."
Erm, yes it does. If you're not making enough money from darts for it to be your main / only source of income, and you need to work other jobs to support your family, you're no more a professional darts player than a bloke earning a bit of beer money in local knockouts.
And that applies equally to the lower echelons of the PDC as well.
But darts isn't one of those sports. Anyone can enter a local knock-out or open and win a few quid.1205 wrote:Erm, no. There's a term for it, frequently used in football: semi-professional.Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:"Well, the media is regularly labelling us as amateurs. Maybe our prize money is lower and some of us are working behind their darts career as well, but that doesn’t mean we are amateurs."
Erm, yes it does. If you're not making enough money from darts for it to be your main / only source of income, and you need to work other jobs to support your family, you're no more a professional darts player than a bloke earning a bit of beer money in local knockouts.
And that applies equally to the lower echelons of the PDC as well.
In some sports, if you're an amateur you can't earn or accept money for playing.
technically you might be correct re the use of the word semi professional. But I watch non league football (at step 4 of the non league system). There is some level of payment but I think the players are okay with being described as amateur football players.1205 wrote:Erm, no. There's a term for it, frequently used in football: semi-professional.Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:"Well, the media is regularly labelling us as amateurs. Maybe our prize money is lower and some of us are working behind their darts career as well, but that doesn’t mean we are amateurs."
Erm, yes it does. If you're not making enough money from darts for it to be your main / only source of income, and you need to work other jobs to support your family, you're no more a professional darts player than a bloke earning a bit of beer money in local knockouts.
And that applies equally to the lower echelons of the PDC as well.
In some sports, if you're an amateur you can't earn or accept money for playing.
Definition from Oxford dictionary:1205 wrote:Erm, no. There's a term for it, frequently used in football: semi-professional.Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:"Well, the media is regularly labelling us as amateurs. Maybe our prize money is lower and some of us are working behind their darts career as well, but that doesn’t mean we are amateurs."
Erm, yes it does. If you're not making enough money from darts for it to be your main / only source of income, and you need to work other jobs to support your family, you're no more a professional darts player than a bloke earning a bit of beer money in local knockouts.
And that applies equally to the lower echelons of the PDC as well.
In some sports, if you're an amateur you can't earn or accept money for playing.
Well yes, but not Harms or the other BDO representatives at the GSODdevosteve wrote:as an aside I recall some folk claiming all super league (and even pub league) players are in the bdo system. If so then 99% of bdo players are amateurs.1205 wrote:Erm, no. There's a term for it, frequently used in football: semi-professional.Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:"Well, the media is regularly labelling us as amateurs. Maybe our prize money is lower and some of us are working behind their darts career as well, but that doesn’t mean we are amateurs."
Erm, yes it does. If you're not making enough money from darts for it to be your main / only source of income, and you need to work other jobs to support your family, you're no more a professional darts player than a bloke earning a bit of beer money in local knockouts.
And that applies equally to the lower echelons of the PDC as well.
In some sports, if you're an amateur you can't earn or accept money for playing.
Those definitions are fair enough, but the trouble with darts (and other sports) is that earnings and income are largely non-guaranteed.Addicks Fan wrote:Definition from Oxford dictionary:1205 wrote:Erm, no. There's a term for it, frequently used in football: semi-professional.Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:"Well, the media is regularly labelling us as amateurs. Maybe our prize money is lower and some of us are working behind their darts career as well, but that doesn’t mean we are amateurs."
Erm, yes it does. If you're not making enough money from darts for it to be your main / only source of income, and you need to work other jobs to support your family, you're no more a professional darts player than a bloke earning a bit of beer money in local knockouts.
And that applies equally to the lower echelons of the PDC as well.
In some sports, if you're an amateur you can't earn or accept money for playing.
semi-professional ADJECTIVE
Receiving payment for an activity but not relying entirely on it for a living.
amateur
NOUN
1A person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid basis.
ADJECTIVE
1Engaging or engaged in without payment; non-professional.
I think semi-professional seems nearer the truth
Spot on, Chrisoche balboa wrote:Look at the pile on lead by Zapp & Phil Davies
Harms thought they should be given more respect it’s an honest view
Amateur has been used as a means of ridicule by PDC fanboys for years
I think the difference between amateur and semi-professional in this case can be broken down to those who travel around chasing points/cash/rankings, and those who go to the odd weekend open where the get together is more important than winning a few games of darts.Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:Those definitions are fair enough, but the trouble with darts (and other sports) is that earnings and income are largely non-guaranteed.Addicks Fan wrote:Definition from Oxford dictionary:1205 wrote:Erm, no. There's a term for it, frequently used in football: semi-professional.Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:"Well, the media is regularly labelling us as amateurs. Maybe our prize money is lower and some of us are working behind their darts career as well, but that doesn’t mean we are amateurs."
Erm, yes it does. If you're not making enough money from darts for it to be your main / only source of income, and you need to work other jobs to support your family, you're no more a professional darts player than a bloke earning a bit of beer money in local knockouts.
And that applies equally to the lower echelons of the PDC as well.
In some sports, if you're an amateur you can't earn or accept money for playing.
semi-professional ADJECTIVE
Receiving payment for an activity but not relying entirely on it for a living.
amateur
NOUN
1A person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid basis.
ADJECTIVE
1Engaging or engaged in without payment; non-professional.
I think semi-professional seems nearer the truth
When I play for my league team, I do so for fun, so on a Tuesday night I'm an amateur.
But if I enter an open / knockout at the weekend, do I suddenly become semi-professional?
Or do I only achieve that status if I make the money? Or what if I make a bit of money but over the course of the day spend more than I win on food and drink, and go home with less that I left the house with: amateur or semi-professional? Is my status affected if they pay me in holiday camp vouchers rather than cash?
Even applying the OED definitions in this case raises more questions than it answers, which is why I went for the professional / amateur definitions I did earlier, which if nothing else are pretty black and white.
If you do it for a living you are a professional, if you fit it around your day job you are an amateur. It is not rocket science.Moongoose McQueeen wrote:Spot on, Chrisoche balboa wrote:Look at the pile on lead by Zapp & Phil Davies
Harms thought they should be given more respect it’s an honest view
Amateur has been used as a means of ridicule by PDC fanboys for years