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Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:45 am
by Garry Murphy
dutchman complaining.

what a shock

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:47 am
by ChrisW
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:39 am
If Vinny doesnt like it, thankfully for him he has an alternative: he can go and ply his trade on the other tour which only has three TV events a year (four if you count one which is only on a regional Dutch TV station ), and he may not qualify for all of those either.
Makes a fair whack from studio work with RTL7 these days. Don't think he would consider going back to the BDO.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:50 am
by Ginge
ChrisW wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:47 am
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:39 am
If Vinny doesnt like it, thankfully for him he has an alternative: he can go and ply his trade on the other tour which only has three TV events a year (four if you count one which is only on a regional Dutch TV station ), and he may not qualify for all of those either.
Makes a fair whack from studio work with RTL7 these days. Don't think he would consider going back to the BDO.
He needs to stop moaning then ffs.

Changing a 16 man seeded legplay invitational event to a 32 man seeded legplay ranking event is hardly going to capture the imagination. If anything change it to something totally different. Why they still havent done a 128-man "Shoot-Out" style event for all the TC holders, like they do in snooker, is beyond me. Best of 3 leg games, totally open draw from the start, all played in one weekend.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:15 pm
by phil davies
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:33 am
phil davies wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:03 am
Anything to change the Masters which is most pointless tv event the PDC runs.
...which was created because ITV asked them to. If they are happy, the event won't be changing anytime soon.
True but it’s still the biggest load of shit of a PDC tournement going.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:17 pm
by phil davies
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:50 am
ChrisW wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:47 am
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:39 am
If Vinny doesnt like it, thankfully for him he has an alternative: he can go and ply his trade on the other tour which only has three TV events a year (four if you count one which is only on a regional Dutch TV station ), and he may not qualify for all of those either.
Makes a fair whack from studio work with RTL7 these days. Don't think he would consider going back to the BDO.
He needs to stop moaning then ffs.

Changing a 16 man seeded legplay invitational event to a 32 man seeded legplay ranking event is hardly going to capture the imagination. If anything change it to something totally different. Why they still havent done a 128-man "Shoot-Out" style event for all the TC holders, like they do in snooker, is beyond me. Best of 3 leg games, totally open draw from the start, all played in one weekend.
Yep the shootout event has been mentioned a few times on here. A definet event that should be done. Even better make it the first event after Q school a nice reward for the new tour card holders.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:18 pm
by Ginge
phil davies wrote:
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:33 am
phil davies wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:03 am
Anything to change the Masters which is most pointless tv event the PDC runs.
...which was created because ITV asked them to. If they are happy, the event won't be changing anytime soon.
True but it’s still the biggest load of shit of a PDC tournement going.
Not saying I disagree with that point of view, but do you think the same about the snooker version held every January?

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:22 pm
by phil davies
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:18 pm
phil davies wrote:
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:33 am
phil davies wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:03 am
Anything to change the Masters which is most pointless tv event the PDC runs.
...which was created because ITV asked them to. If they are happy, the event won't be changing anytime soon.
True but it’s still the biggest load of shit of a PDC tournement going.
Not saying I disagree with that point of view, but do you think the same about the snooker version held every January?
It has the prestige of the age of it. Plus it’s pretty much their only major tv non ranking event. Whereas in darts their is loads and the top 16 in darts tend to play each other an awful lot more on TV due to the qualifying procedures and amount of invitational events.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:59 pm
by foggs3355
I agree maybe top 64 shootout event would be better than masters all games best of 5 legs over 3 days it it ranked

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:36 pm
by trotter
phil davies wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:17 pm
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:50 am
ChrisW wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:47 am
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:39 am
If Vinny doesnt like it, thankfully for him he has an alternative: he can go and ply his trade on the other tour which only has three TV events a year (four if you count one which is only on a regional Dutch TV station ), and he may not qualify for all of those either.
Makes a fair whack from studio work with RTL7 these days. Don't think he would consider going back to the BDO.
He needs to stop moaning then ffs.

Changing a 16 man seeded legplay invitational event to a 32 man seeded legplay ranking event is hardly going to capture the imagination. If anything change it to something totally different. Why they still havent done a 128-man "Shoot-Out" style event for all the TC holders, like they do in snooker, is beyond me. Best of 3 leg games, totally open draw from the start, all played in one weekend.
Yep the shootout event has been mentioned a few times on here. A definet event that should be done. Even better make it the first event after Q school a nice reward for the new tour card holders.
The snooker shoot out doesn't get all the very top players entering it though..a lot don't bother and ITV have dropped it this year although Eurosport will show it and most players donot think it should be ranked..
I cannot see the very top darts players wanting a best of 3 shoot out for 128 players..it just won't happen.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:37 pm
by Ginge
At least its still on telly though, I actually quite enjoy it.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:03 pm
by Case
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:39 am
If Vinny doesnt like it, thankfully for him he has an alternative: he can go and ply his trade on the other tour which only has three TV events a year (four if you count one which is only on a regional Dutch TV station ), and he may not qualify for all of those either.
Vinny is selfless and honest, he and MvG are mates, VvdV always gives his honest opinion, i like to think thats why he is liked on RTL.

Oh and you seem to be losing the plot a bit, using your energy pinpointing any weird thing about darts, what's your new hobby going to be? And when?

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:39 pm
by phil davies
trotter wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:36 pm
phil davies wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:17 pm
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:50 am
ChrisW wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:47 am
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:39 am
If Vinny doesnt like it, thankfully for him he has an alternative: he can go and ply his trade on the other tour which only has three TV events a year (four if you count one which is only on a regional Dutch TV station ), and he may not qualify for all of those either.
Makes a fair whack from studio work with RTL7 these days. Don't think he would consider going back to the BDO.
He needs to stop moaning then ffs.

Changing a 16 man seeded legplay invitational event to a 32 man seeded legplay ranking event is hardly going to capture the imagination. If anything change it to something totally different. Why they still havent done a 128-man "Shoot-Out" style event for all the TC holders, like they do in snooker, is beyond me. Best of 3 leg games, totally open draw from the start, all played in one weekend.
Yep the shootout event has been mentioned a few times on here. A definet event that should be done. Even better make it the first event after Q school a nice reward for the new tour card holders.
The snooker shoot out doesn't get all the very top players entering it though..a lot don't bother and ITV have dropped it this year although Eurosport will show it and most players donot think it should be ranked..
I cannot see the very top darts players wanting a best of 3 shoot out for 128 players..it just won't happen.
It should be ranked and if the top players are idiotic enough to turn down the free money and chance of further boosting their ranking then tough shit to them. Can easily replace the few if they did this with the top players from the Q school order of merit.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:41 pm
by phil davies
Ginge wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:37 pm
At least its still on telly though, I actually quite enjoy it.
Other than the worlds it’s the only snooker I try to watch these days. Will watch other tournaments if their nothing else on and I’m not busy but the shootout is much more intresting than the endless other tournaments on TV.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:55 pm
by Paddy McGinty
Folk getting bored eh?

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:38 pm
by only85
What is of interest is that both sports Hearn controls snooker & darts, players are starting slowly but surely to speak out about how things are done o Sullivan in snooker & in darts recently Ian White backed up by gando re the playing on tv stages & now this, it is well known vvv isnt shy about speaking for the masses, Hearn is now 70+ the question is how long is he going to keep his iron grip on proceedings ( his way or no way) perhaps a few players are concluding darts is a business for him & in some businesses a lot of the workers are a commodity, & under a future different leader they would like things done slightly differently, up the comrades

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:44 pm
by markymark
O'Sullivan didn't have too many backing him up. He was having one of his usual moans.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:05 pm
by The Jolly Man
only85 wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:38 pm
What is of interest is that both sports Hearn controls snooker & darts, players are starting slowly but surely to speak out about how things are done o Sullivan in snooker & in darts recently Ian White backed up by gando re the playing on tv stages & now this, it is well known vvv isnt shy about speaking for the masses, Hearn is now 70+ the question is how long is he going to keep his iron grip on proceedings ( his way or no way) perhaps a few players are concluding darts is a business for him & in some businesses a lot of the workers are a commodity, & under a future different leader they would like things done slightly differently, up the comrades
But O’Sullivan’s moan is that there are too many ranking events. Vvdv is completely the opposite.

For the players to play full time as they are now the sports need to be as they are, otherwise they will revert back to 5,10, 15 years ago.

How many of the younger generation will start to complain who have seen the growth etc etc. At a guess not a lot as they know what they are getting into.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:57 am
by malcy93
What was Ian White”s complaint ?

As noted VVV and O”S have completely the reverse complaints.

In some ways I sympathise with O”S in that outside the World Championship, events have 128 full tour card draws so with all the matches the tournaments have to be played in leisure centre type multi table venues.

Look at the ongoing U.K. Open it is snookers 2nd most important ranked event and has this. Also all the extra matches mean game lengths are halved compared to few years ago. However darts Matchplay has 16 OOM seeds and 16 qualifiers in single stage prestigious venue.

Don’t get VVV moans about The Masters. It’s not invitational as it’s 16 top in OOM so you qualify by doing well on tour. Would have no problem seeing it or Champions League top 7/8 in OOM and last year”s winner ranked.

If he wants to moan complain about Premier League and the increasing number of World Series invitational events.

For the lower ranked OOM Superior Men's there are plenty of opportunities. Now direct entry to U.K. Open Finals and more Pro Tour and Euro Tour events although for the later they have to qualify.

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:05 am
by PVDarts501
malcy93 wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:57 am
What was Ian White”s complaint ?

As noted VVV and O”S have completely the reverse complaints.

In some ways I sympathise with O”S in that outside the World Championship, events have 128 full tour card draws so with all the matches the tournaments have to be played in leisure centre type multi table venues.

Look at the ongoing U.K. Open it is snookers 2nd most important ranked event and has this. Also all the extra matches mean game lengths are halved compared to few years ago. However darts Matchplay has 16 OOM seeds and 16 qualifiers in single stage prestigious venue.

Don’t get VVV moans about The Masters. It’s not invitational as it’s 16 top in OOM so you qualify by doing well on tour. Would have no problem seeing it or Champions League top 7/8 in OOM and last year”s winner ranked.

If he wants to moan complain about Premier League and the increasing number of World Series invitational events.

For the lower ranked OOM Superior Men's there are plenty of opportunities. Now direct entry to U.K. Open Finals and more Pro Tour and Euro Tour events although for the later they have to qualify.
Why should he moan about Premier League if that funds the prize money for the Tour?

Re: Van der Voort proposes new ranking event

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:38 am
by malcy93
PVDarts501 wrote:
malcy93 wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:57 am
What was Ian White”s complaint ?

As noted VVV and O”S have completely the reverse complaints.

In some ways I sympathise with O”S in that outside the World Championship, events have 128 full tour card draws so with all the matches the tournaments have to be played in leisure centre type multi table venues.

Look at the ongoing U.K. Open it is snookers 2nd most important ranked event and has this. Also all the extra matches mean game lengths are halved compared to few years ago. However darts Matchplay has 16 OOM seeds and 16 qualifiers in single stage prestigious venue.

Don’t get VVV moans about The Masters. It’s not invitational as it’s 16 top in OOM so you qualify by doing well on tour. Would have no problem seeing it or Champions League top 7/8 in OOM and last year”s winner ranked.

If he wants to moan complain about Premier League and the increasing number of World Series invitational events.

For the lower ranked OOM Superior Men's there are plenty of opportunities. Now direct entry to U.K. Open Finals and more Pro Tour and Euro Tour events although for the later they have to qualify.
Why should he moan about Premier League if that funds the prize money for the Tour?
He was complaining about too many invitational events and then picks on The Masters.

That isn’t invitational it’s top 16. So any player can qualify. Just need to start winning games and move up OOM.

I mention that is invitational for 6 of the 10 players. The other 4 qualify as top 4 in OOM.