European tour qualifiying

[PreciesJJ]

Assuming all 5 RoW players choose UK qualifying (do they get a choice?) it's about 72+32 for 18 spots (taking out current seeds as well as Gary Anderson), then (for 7/13 events in Germany), it's 29 (42 Europeans minus 3 seeds, 2 EE, 3 NB and 5 HN) players playing for 6 places, as well as however many European associates playing for 2 spaces. We won't know how 'fair' it is until we see the kind of numbers there'll be for associate qualifying, but I guess if it's harsh on anyone, it would be the UK associates (though really if you don't get top 32 in the Challenge Tour, do you deserve your place in ET qualifying?)

No, this isn't correct. They changed the rules, so all european tour card holders must play in the same qualifier. So ratajski, labanauskas etc cannot play their regional qualifier anymore, but have to participate in the tour card qualifier. Think the only exception is the host nation qualifier

Razma has already qualified for the first European Tour through the PDCNB Qualifier, you should check the facts first.

How is this for 'fact checking'?

Fair enough. But there already have been 3 PDCNB Qualifiers in which Razma, Kantele and Labanauskas played. They seem to have changed the rules after that.

I am pretty sure they changed this after the announcement of the rules. I checked them all last week and it wasn't like this.

[PVDarts501]

So this means there will be at least eight players on each European Tour event without a Tour Card.

- Four Host Nation Qualifiers
- Two European Qualifiers
- One Nordic & Baltic
- One East European

And eventually high ranked Challenge Tour players can qualify for European Tour events as well.

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

So this means there will be at least eight players on each European Tour event without a Tour Card.

- Four Host Nation Qualifiers
- Two European Qualifiers
- One Nordic & Baltic
- One East European

And eventually high ranked Challenge Tour players can qualify for European Tour events as well.

Don't think so:
'West & South Europe Tour Card Holder Qualifier: shall produce six players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.3. Players with the following nationalities are eligible to enter: Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, Spain, Portugal, Andorra, Italy, San Marino, Monaco, Malta, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Switzerland, Greece, Cyprus, Turkey. Tour Card Holders from the Nordic & Baltic & Eastern European regions are required to enter this qualifier'
'Host Nation Associate Member Qualifier: shall produce four players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.4. Players with the same nationality as the location of the relevant Event are eligible to enter and in this instance any player with that nationality may not enter the South & West Europe qualifier'

[PreciesJJ]

So this means there will be at least eight players on each European Tour event without a Tour Card.

- Four Host Nation Qualifiers
- Two European Qualifiers
- One Nordic & Baltic
- One East European

And eventually high ranked Challenge Tour players can qualify for European Tour events as well.

Don't think so:
'West & South Europe Tour Card Holder Qualifier: shall produce six players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.3. Players with the following nationalities are eligible to enter: Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, Spain, Portugal, Andorra, Italy, San Marino, Monaco, Malta, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Switzerland, Greece, Cyprus, Turkey. Tour Card Holders from the Nordic & Baltic & Eastern European regions are required to enter this qualifier'
'Host Nation Associate Member Qualifier: shall produce four players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.4. Players with the same nationality as the location of the relevant Event are eligible to enter and in this instance any player with that nationality may not enter the South & West Europe qualifier'

Host Nation ASSOCIATE MEMBER qualifier

[PVDarts501]

So this means there will be at least eight players on each European Tour event without a Tour Card.

- Four Host Nation Qualifiers
- Two European Qualifiers
- One Nordic & Baltic
- One East European

And eventually high ranked Challenge Tour players can qualify for European Tour events as well.

Don't think so:
'West & South Europe Tour Card Holder Qualifier: shall produce six players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.3. Players with the following nationalities are eligible to enter: Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, Spain, Portugal, Andorra, Italy, San Marino, Monaco, Malta, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Switzerland, Greece, Cyprus, Turkey. Tour Card Holders from the Nordic & Baltic & Eastern European regions are required to enter this qualifier'
'Host Nation Associate Member Qualifier: shall produce four players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.4. Players with the same nationality as the location of the relevant Event are eligible to enter and in this instance any player with that nationality may not enter the South & West Europe qualifier'

Host Nation Associate Member Qualifier: shall produce four players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.4. Players with the same nationality as the location of the relevant Event are eligible to enter and in this instance any player with that nationality may not enter the South & West Europe qualifier

West & South Europe Associate Member Qualifier: shall produce two players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.3.

Nordic & Baltic Associate Member Qualifier: shall produce one player from those entered and eligible under rule 4.4. Players with the following nationalities are eligible to enter: Faroe Islands, Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania.

East Europe Associate Member Qualifier: shall produce one player from those entered and eligible under rule 4.4. Players with the following nationalities are eligible to enter: Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Serbia, Macedonia, Albania, Montenegro, Kosovo and any state not listed here which falls within the EADC region.

All for Associate Members only.

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

So this means there will be at least eight players on each European Tour event without a Tour Card.

- Four Host Nation Qualifiers
- Two European Qualifiers
- One Nordic & Baltic
- One East European

And eventually high ranked Challenge Tour players can qualify for European Tour events as well.

Don't think so:
'West & South Europe Tour Card Holder Qualifier: shall produce six players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.3. Players with the following nationalities are eligible to enter: Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, Spain, Portugal, Andorra, Italy, San Marino, Monaco, Malta, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Switzerland, Greece, Cyprus, Turkey. Tour Card Holders from the Nordic & Baltic & Eastern European regions are required to enter this qualifier' (no mention of host nation players)
'Host Nation Associate Member Qualifier: shall produce four players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.4. Players with the same nationality as the location of the relevant Event are eligible to enter and in this instance any player with that nationality may not enter the South & West Europe qualifier'

Host Nation ASSOCIATE MEMBER qualifier

[PVDarts501]

So this means there will be at least eight players on each European Tour event without a Tour Card.

- Four Host Nation Qualifiers
- Two European Qualifiers
- One Nordic & Baltic
- One East European

And eventually high ranked Challenge Tour players can qualify for European Tour events as well.

Don't think so:
'West & South Europe Tour Card Holder Qualifier: shall produce six players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.3. Players with the following nationalities are eligible to enter: Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, Spain, Portugal, Andorra, Italy, San Marino, Monaco, Malta, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Switzerland, Greece, Cyprus, Turkey. Tour Card Holders from the Nordic & Baltic & Eastern European regions are required to enter this qualifier' (no mention of host nation players)
'Host Nation Associate Member Qualifier: shall produce four players from those entered and eligible under rule 4.4. Players with the same nationality as the location of the relevant Event are eligible to enter and in this instance any player with that nationality may not enter the South & West Europe qualifier'

Host Nation ASSOCIATE MEMBER qualifier

That's for European players without a Tour Card, as the qualifiers there are called ASSOCIATE MEMBER qualifiers

[Reinier]

From the PDPA website:

Host Nation Qualifiers:
These events are for eligible nationals of that region, and are for Associate and Day Members ONLY

That's a rubbish rule.

[Duneh9617]

This makes no sense at all. Hardly any chance for tour card holders to qualify now.

[1205]

This makes no sense at all. Hardly any chance for tour card holders to qualify now.

They can be top 16 players.
They can be one of 18 other UK tour card holders
Or they can be one of 6 other European tour card holders.

I make that 40 tour card holders. Wouldn't say hardly any chance, but it does seem a bit weird. Could be lucrative to be a good non-tour German.

[PreciesJJ]

This makes no sense at all. Hardly any chance for tour card holders to qualify now.

They can be top 16 players.
They can be one of 18 other UK tour card holders
Or they can be one of 6 other European tour card holders.

I make that 40 tour card holders. Wouldn't say hardly any chance, but it does seem a bit weird. Could be lucrative to be a good non-tour German.

Someone like Maik Langendorf could probably earn more than Christian Bunse, just by winnign through the multiple German Home Nation Qualifiers and West and South Europe Associato Members Qualifier.

[The Jolly Man]

Doesn’t seem right at all. Why are the PDC seemingly trying to make it so complicated.

[The Jolly Man]

This makes no sense at all. Hardly any chance for tour card holders to qualify now.

They can be top 16 players.
They can be one of 18 other UK tour card holders
Or they can be one of 6 other European tour card holders.

I make that 40 tour card holders. Wouldn't say hardly any chance, but it does seem a bit weird. Could be lucrative to be a good non-tour German.

Someone like Maik Langendorf could probably earn more than Christian Bunse, just by winnign through the multiple German Home Nation Qualifiers and West and South Europe Associato Members Qualifier.

Or Unterbuchner. He could get to Ally Pally easily in this basis.

[The Jolly Man]

With the increase in nations on the tour would it not make sense to reduce the number of host nations qualifiers down to two and increase the tour card holders qualifier up to 10?

[PVDarts501]

This makes no sense at all. Hardly any chance for tour card holders to qualify now.

They can be top 16 players.
They can be one of 18 other UK tour card holders
Or they can be one of 6 other European tour card holders.

I make that 40 tour card holders. Wouldn't say hardly any chance, but it does seem a bit weird. Could be lucrative to be a good non-tour German.

Someone like Maik Langendorf could probably earn more than Christian Bunse, just by winnign through the multiple German Home Nation Qualifiers and West and South Europe Associato Members Qualifier.

Or Unterbuchner. He could get to Ally Pally easily in this basis.

Didn't enter Q-School, so is allowed to play only two Euro Tour events.

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

This makes no sense at all. Hardly any chance for tour card holders to qualify now.

They can be top 16 players.
They can be one of 18 other UK tour card holders
Or they can be one of 6 other European tour card holders.

I make that 40 tour card holders. Wouldn't say hardly any chance, but it does seem a bit weird. Could be lucrative to be a good non-tour German.

If a German gets off to a good start on the Challenge Tour they'd be very well placed for the year

[Duneh9617]

This makes no sense at all. Hardly any chance for tour card holders to qualify now.

They can be top 16 players.
They can be one of 18 other UK tour card holders
Or they can be one of 6 other European tour card holders.

I make that 40 tour card holders. Wouldn't say hardly any chance, but it does seem a bit weird. Could be lucrative to be a good non-tour German.

Don't think they can compete in the uk qualifier, and when it's that hard to qualify it will be harder for them to get in the top 16 as well. PDC have messed this one up and should alter the rules right away. Make the host nation qualifiers open for tour card holders, and give two places coming from the uk qualifier to european tour card qualifier. That way you'd get 16 uk qualifiers and 16 european qualifiers, plus the top 16 of the pro tour

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

With the increase in nations on the tour would it not make sense to reduce the number of host nations qualifiers down to two and increase the tour card holders qualifier up to 10?

I think we might see that in the near future to be fair, seems to me that the ET is slowly moving away from being so Germany-centric and moving to more developing countries. The Danish event gets 2 HN qualifiers, 2 NBs and one NB via the main OoM which is a small bonus for the likes of Labanauskas, Razma and Kantele. I'd have thought that there'd have been just the two Czech HN qualifiers and maybe 3 Eastern European ones, but according to the PDC OoM rules it seems the Czech event works the same as all the others outside Denmark...

[1205]

This makes no sense at all. Hardly any chance for tour card holders to qualify now.

They can be top 16 players.
They can be one of 18 other UK tour card holders
Or they can be one of 6 other European tour card holders.

I make that 40 tour card holders. Wouldn't say hardly any chance, but it does seem a bit weird. Could be lucrative to be a good non-tour German.

Don't think they can compete in the uk qualifier, and when it's that hard to qualify it will be harder for them to get in the top 16 as well. PDC have messed this one up and should alter the rules right away. Make the host nation qualifiers open for tour card holders, and give two places coming from the uk qualifier to european tour card qualifier. That way you'd get 16 uk qualifiers and 16 european qualifiers, plus the top 16 of the pro tour

The host nation qualifiers shouldn't include tour players. The whole point is to give host nation players opportunities.
They just need to tweak the numbers a bit.

The top 16 are seeded so the tour qualifiers aren't having to beat the best to qualify.
But the ratio of 8 non-tour to 24 tour qualifiers seems a bit too high. Maybe they could change the numbers depending on how many tournaments there are in that country. Germany has a lot of tournaments, and maybe 6 to 26 would be a better ratio.
But, it _is_ the European Tour, and the PDC has the Players Championships as the bread and butter for tour members.

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

This makes no sense at all. Hardly any chance for tour card holders to qualify now.

They can be top 16 players.
They can be one of 18 other UK tour card holders
Or they can be one of 6 other European tour card holders.

I make that 40 tour card holders. Wouldn't say hardly any chance, but it does seem a bit weird. Could be lucrative to be a good non-tour German.

Don't think they can compete in the uk qualifier, and when it's that hard to qualify it will be harder for them to get in the top 16 as well. PDC have messed this one up and should alter the rules right away. Make the host nation qualifiers open for tour card holders, and give two places coming from the uk qualifier to european tour card qualifier. That way you'd get 16 uk qualifiers and 16 european qualifiers, plus the top 16 of the pro tour

The host nation qualifiers shouldn't include tour players. The whole point is to give host nation players opportunities.
They just need to tweak the numbers a bit.

The top 16 are seeded so the tour qualifiers aren't having to beat the best to qualify.
But the ratio of 8 non-tour to 24 tour qualifiers seems a bit too high. Maybe they could change the numbers depending on how many tournaments there are in that country. Germany has a lot of tournaments, and maybe 6 to 26 would be a better ratio.
But, it _is_ the European Tour, and the PDC has the Players Championships as the bread and butter for tour members.

Yeah, 4 home nation qualifiers does seem very odd now. I'm sure there are 2 Danish, Dutch, Austrian, German and even Czech players without tour cards who should be competitive, but with 4, we could be seeing a lot more events like Gibraltar, or Austria last year