How much prize money would you say the women’s world champion should receive?

[Bag Carrier]

If I remember correctly, The World Darts Trophy I’m Holland used to be €30k for the women’s winner.

Unless I was really smashed and dreamed it up

According to Darts Database the 2002 edition was 15,000 Euros to the winner, 32,500 Euros prize fund in total. Still as much as the Lakeside now, although only paid to QF.

I think 2005/6 it was €30k winner and €15k runner up when Ana was runner up to Francis

[Addicks Fan]

If I remember correctly, The World Darts Trophy I’m Holland used to be €30k for the women’s winner.

Unless I was really smashed and dreamed it up

According to Darts Database the 2002 edition was 15,000 Euros to the winner, 32,500 Euros prize fund in total. Still as much as the Lakeside now, although only paid to QF.

I think 2005/6 it was €30k winner and €15k runner up when Ana was runner up to Francis

Amazing really - 2004 is the year Ana was runner-up. She beat Trina with an 89 average in the Quarter Final. According to Darts Database it wasn't held after 2005 - is that right?

[ChrisW]

15.000 to Hoenselaar according to this video in 2004

[1205]

With the standard improving in the women’s game (...)

That's another Nicholsonism, isn't it?

Hmm ...

Average, for Last 16 etc, whole tournament and from Last n onwards

Year	16	8	4	2	All	<=8	<=4
2001	n/a	n/a	79.23	81.54	80.00	80.00	80.00
2002	n/a	69.75	69.84	83.66	71.76	71.76	74.45
2003	n/a	68.83	72.38	77.57	71.09	71.09	74.11
2004	n/a	74.16	83.63	87.47	78.77	78.77	84.91
2005	n/a	72.18	71.14	76.79	72.54	72.54	73.02
2006	n/a	72.88	75.63	71.67	73.49	73.49	74.31
2007	n/a	72.94	70.40	79.92	73.21	73.21	73.57
2008	n/a	67.76	71.76	76.59	70.16	70.16	73.37
2009	n/a	72.11	70.31	76.29	72.19	72.19	72.30
2010	n/a	71.80	74.74	74.39	73.01	73.01	74.62
2011	n/a	71.47	70.14	73.91	71.44	71.44	71.40
2012	n/a	70.59	74.09	74.04	72.08	72.08	74.07
2013	n/a	70.80	75.73	81.35	73.71	73.71	77.60
2014	69.17	70.28	78.36	81.30	71.50	74.16	79.34
2015	68.49	72.02	80.97	83.49	72.09	76.21	81.81
2016	72.60	72.93	75.65	74.22	73.20	73.89	75.18
2017	74.38	72.98	77.51	77.67	74.64	74.94	77.57
2018	72.48	75.36	81.74	85.82	75.37	78.68	83.10
2019	72.22	73.70	74.65	84.47	73.76	75.51	77.92

I think we see a downward-Gulliver dip, and then an improvement.
There are signs of improved depth.
I think this year was exceptionally low because of Ashton's last 16 loss, combined with the crazy Prins v Suzuki game.

[1205]

And here are the top 20 women for Lakeside average across all matches played.
Helped by recent boards, but note how many of them are currently playing ...

Player	From	To	Count	Average	Low	High
Lisa Ashton	2009	2019	24	80.66	68.19	90.18
Anastasia Dobromyslova	2007	2019	28	78.38	68.49	85.50
Trina Gulliver	2001	2019	50	77.83	56.58	95.97
Fallon Sherrock	2014	2019	13	77.70	67.35	89.67
Mikuru Suzuki	2019	2019	4	76.94	61.70	90.12
Rhian Griffiths	2017	2018	2	76.79	67.11	86.46
Tricia Wright	2018	2018	1	74.83	74.83	74.83
Lorraine Winstanley	2015	2019	11	74.51	67.11	84.18
Aileen de Graaf	2014	2019	13	74.39	69.78	81.63
Deta Hedman	2010	2019	22	74.36	60.84	83.70
Maria O'Brien	2018	2019	4	74.36	69.07	86.69
Carla Molema	2007	2009	2	74.34	71.19	77.49
Linda Ithurralde	2010	2010	1	73.86	73.86	73.86
Francis Hoenselaar	2001	2010	23	73.73	53.19	85.44
Mandy Solomons	2001	2002	3	73.72	70.38	79.11
Clare Bywaters	2004	2006	4	73.70	68.73	79.56
Corrine Hammond	2016	2019	7	72.68	69.75	80.94
Casey Gallagher	2015	2019	5	72.45	68.85	79.86
Irina Armstrong	2010	2015	7	72.13	65.91	79.80
Karen Lawman	2006	2012	4	72.05	67.35	75.60

And a little perspective on Gulliver's dominant period:

Player	From	To	Count	Average	Low	High
Trina Gulliver	2001	2011	32	81.36	71.58	95.97

I suppose I should express an opinion: as somebody else suggested, they need better depth of prizes rather than a larger top prize. To support the game they need overall support for players, rather than just one headline number.

[Deleted User]

If I remember correctly, The World Darts Trophy I’m Holland used to be €30k for the women’s winner.

Unless I was really smashed and dreamed it up

According to Darts Database the 2002 edition was 15,000 Euros to the winner, 32,500 Euros prize fund in total. Still as much as the Lakeside now, although only paid to QF.

And has 100s of entries plus sponsors that pay for that prize money.

The standard of play does not pay the bills.

[Duterprat]

there should be no such title, you sexist p*g.

[foggy]

No option for the same as the Men?

[Ginge]

No option for the same as the Men?

Erm, the men get £100k

[foggy]

No option for the same as the Men?

Erm, the men get £100k

Doh, never thought of looking for that was looking for it worded the same as the men.

[Zapp Brannigan]

The least they could possibly get........and then cut it in half.

Darts should never be gender specific.

[1205]

The least they could possibly get........and then cut it in half.

Darts should never be gender specific.

Let's scrap the junior events as well. It's the same board and scoring for everybody.

[Zapp Brannigan]

The least they could possibly get........and then cut it in half.

Darts should never be gender specific.

Let's scrap the junior events as well. It's the same board and scoring for everybody.

Did junior people become a different gender that ive not heard about?

[1205]

The least they could possibly get........and then cut it in half.

Darts should never be gender specific.

Let's scrap the junior events as well. It's the same board and scoring for everybody.

Did junior people become a different gender that ive not heard about?

Are juniors a different species?
Why are there separate junior events when it's a closed sport where there's no physical reason for separation?

[Zapp Brannigan]

The least they could possibly get........and then cut it in half.

Darts should never be gender specific.

Let's scrap the junior events as well. It's the same board and scoring for everybody.

Did junior people become a different gender that ive not heard about?

Are juniors a different species?
Why are there separate junior events when it's a closed sport where there's no physical reason for separation?

So because we separate the juniors from the adults we have to separate the men from the ladies?

[1205]

The least they could possibly get........and then cut it in half.

Darts should never be gender specific.

Let's scrap the junior events as well. It's the same board and scoring for everybody.

Did junior people become a different gender that ive not heard about?

Are juniors a different species?
Why are there separate junior events when it's a closed sport where there's no physical reason for separation?

So because we separate the juniors from the adults we have to separate the men from the ladies?

Why should there not be gender-specific tournaments, but there should be age-specific tournaments?

[Bag Carrier]

If I remember correctly, The World Darts Trophy I’m Holland used to be €30k for the women’s winner.

Unless I was really smashed and dreamed it up

According to Darts Database the 2002 edition was 15,000 Euros to the winner, 32,500 Euros prize fund in total. Still as much as the Lakeside now, although only paid to QF.

I think 2005/6 it was €30k winner and €15k runner up when Ana was runner up to Francis

Amazing really - 2004 is the year Ana was runner-up. She beat Trina with an 89 average in the Quarter Final. According to Darts Database it wasn't held after 2005 - is that right?

Defo held in 2005 100%

[DartsMadJohn]

The women's prize money is OK as it stands given the standard they're at, if I was going to bump it up it would be 15k, or 20k absolute max with slight increases for the early rounds as well.

The problem is, what's the prize money like for the standard tour events? If a woman is winning £500 (for example) by being champion of a national open or Category A event, boosting the Women's Worlds is pointless as it won't address the problem of depth in the game if nobody can make a living from the circuit as a whole.

[Addicks Fan]

Looks like Des is serious on upping the prize money:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/24/bdo-chai ... g-8387014/


Love his comment about Eurosport - the lengths this man will go to

I reckon he must have some sponsors on board to be saying that

[thecat]

The numbers are obscene