Players Championship Tour 2019

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

Players like Askew and Scott Taylor didn't even bother trying to enter PC1-2 even though they're in the top 10 of the CT OoM, probably thought they had absolutely no chance of getting in

[Skewball]

Having choice is great but there are simply too many events (Pro and Euro Tours) and it dilutes the rankings. If the free entry was designed to attract more of the top end players to events then clearly it ain’t working...

Christ I've seen some drivel on here but this is well up there

[oche balboa]

Skewball upset someone criticised an aspect of the pd. again

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

The ProTour is the bread and butter though, of course there should be plenty of opportunities for players who can't make the TV events to at least make a decent living for themselves. Remember as well that players like White are outliers, in terms of talent he really is way up there but he's just pathetic on TV, most other players (bar Dimitri lol) will find their ProTour and TV earnings are pretty much in sync

[1205]

The ProTour is the bread and butter though, of course there should be plenty of opportunities for players who can't make the TV events to at least make a decent living for themselves. Remember as well that players like White are outliers, in terms of talent he really is way up there but he's just pathetic on TV, most other players (bar Dimitri lol) will find their ProTour and TV earnings are pretty much in sync

Ianigma has done OK on the European Tour, even won one (Cross and Anderson missing, van Gerwen played very badly and lost early), with high 90s-100+ averages all the way to the final where he cracked and scraped past Ricky Evans.

He wins about half of his last 32 games in the bigger PDC TV tournaments.

I wouldn't say he's not a top 16 player, but he should be on the lower end.
Also in the top 16 is Webster (Darren), who is insanely consistent in his ability to reach the last 16 and then lose, floor or stage. Whereas White's problem is handling pressure, Webster has just found his level. You'll know the standard is rising as Webster drops down the rankings.

[DavidB]

Having choice is great but there are simply too many events (Pro and Euro Tours) and it dilutes the rankings. If the free entry was designed to attract more of the top end players to events then clearly it ain’t working...

Christ I've seen some drivel on here but this is well up there

Dry your eyes skewey

[DavidB]

Skewball upset someone criticised an aspect of the pd. again

Nailed it

[DavidB]

Having choice is great but there are simply too many events (Pro and Euro Tours) and it dilutes the rankings. If the free entry was designed to attract more of the top end players to events then clearly it ain’t working...

I agree that it dilutes the rankings floor players should not be able to make it into the top 16 without doing nothing of note on TV.

Anything to add Skewball??

[Skewball]

Wow, three bites

[Ginge]

Wow, three bites

Well played.

[1205]

Having choice is great but there are simply too many events (Pro and Euro Tours) and it dilutes the rankings. If the free entry was designed to attract more of the top end players to events then clearly it ain’t working...

I'm not Hearn, but surely free entry was made to attract players in the lower reaches to play every event, to truly make the PDC 'darts for all'? It wasn't the entry fee preventing van Gerwen from playing in every single event pre-2018, that would be relative pennies to him. Last year there were generally 5-10 tour card holders skipping events (some who missed most of the year), I'd expect there to still be a few missing in most events this year (once the 4 simpletons get to grips with the system) but still less than last year, and surely (though I'm not 100% sure on this) far less than in the distant past

They upped the Q School fee and saved themselves and the players an almost pointless administrative overhead, since most players will play most tournaments.

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

The ProTour is the bread and butter though, of course there should be plenty of opportunities for players who can't make the TV events to at least make a decent living for themselves. Remember as well that players like White are outliers, in terms of talent he really is way up there but he's just pathetic on TV, most other players (bar Dimitri lol) will find their ProTour and TV earnings are pretty much in sync

Ianigma has done OK on the European Tour, even won one (Cross and Anderson missing, van Gerwen played very badly and lost early), with high 90s-100+ averages all the way to the final where he cracked and scraped past Ricky Evans.

He wins about half of his last 32 games in the bigger PDC TV tournaments.

I wouldn't say he's not a top 16 player, but he should be on the lower end.
Also in the top 16 is Webster (Darren), who is insanely consistent in his ability to reach the last 16 and then lose, floor or stage. Whereas White's problem is handling pressure, Webster has just found his level. You'll know the standard is rising as Webster drops down the rankings.

Yeah, although Darren Webster has started to reach some TV quarter-finals, you'd never think he's the kind of player who could go on a really long run in an event. Surprised to learn that he's made 1 European Tour quarter-final in his entire career, and that wasn't until last year, which is insane considering there's 13 in a year and you only have to win 2/3 games to reach the last 8. Sometimes players hit hot runs of form, you know they aren't going to be able to sustain it, but you still have to give them the credit for it

[Demolition_fan]

He has just been unlucky in drawing players on top form. He will climb the rankings in the next 12 months, no doubt about it.

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

He has just been unlucky in drawing players on top form. He will climb the rankings in the next 12 months, no doubt about it.

Sorry, but if you're really a top player, you'll be able to kick on and beat anyone. De Zwaan could have done the old Painter 'how's your luck?' when he drew MvG twice on the telly last year, but he just got on with it and beat him. You can get one or two unlucky draws, but over the course of a season, you can't keep using that card. I don't think Webster will tumble down the rankings (there aren't enough good players between 14-32 in the rankings that I think will be able to surge past him), but I don't think he'll last long in the top 16 for sure when the likes of Hopp, de Zwaan and Van den Bergh really start kicking into gear

[Demolition_fan]

If they start "kicking into gear"
There are no guarantees that will happen.
He is there on merit and will continue to be so.

[Mensur Suljovic Fan]

True. But what I mean is there are a lot of stagnant players in and around the top 16, but that some of the players around the top 32 are very promising. De Zwaan/Van den Bergh's A-game is better than what Webster can offer to be fair, Webster is relying on a lot of players like that stagnating in order to become a fixture in the top 16 over the next few years

[oche balboa]

In 2 years Webster will fall the same way as Newton, Hamilton & Caven have

[ChrisW]

His game only seems to be improving at the moment. Can't remember who it was but someone said none of the players like playing him. So don't see his game demising quickly.

[Demolition_fan]

In 2 years Webster will fall the same way as Newton, Hamilton & Caven have

Ha, good one.
Got any more?

[Demolition_fan]

True. But what I mean is there are a lot of stagnant players in and around the top 16, but that some of the players around the top 32 are very promising. De Zwaan/Van den Bergh's A-game is better than what Webster can offer to be fair, Webster is relying on a lot of players like that stagnating in order to become a fixture in the top 16 over the next few years

Their A game may be better as you say, but hardly produced every time. Darrens experience will stand him in good stead, these youngsters are still learning. I'm sure they'll get to Darrens level one day.