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Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:34 pm
by Deleted User
Christ!!
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:18 am
by JeroenvdV
update after first round Riesa (ET 12) Michael van Gerwen & Dave Chisnall have withdrawn, which means Jamie Hughes & Jeffrey de Zwaan are now seeded
IN top 32: John Henderson
OUT top 32: Max Hopp
1. Michael van Gerwen 135000
2. Ian White 89000
3. Daryl Gurney 56500
4. Mensur Suljovic 55500
5. Dave Chisnall 52000
6. Joe Cullen 47000
7. Gerwyn Price 45000
8. Jamie Hughes 44500
9. Peter Wright 42500
10. Rob Cross 34000
11. Keegan Brown 27000
12. Stephen Bunting 27000
13. James Wade 27000
14. Simon Whitlock 25500
15. Adrian Lewis 25500
16. Ricky Evans 24000
17. Chris Dobey 21000
18. Johnny Clayton 20500
19. Steve Beaton 20500
20. Mervyn King 20000
21. Darren Webster 19000
22. Glen Durrant 18000
23. Jermaine Wattimena 18000
24. Nathan Aspinall 18000
25. Jeffrey de Zwaan 17000
26. Vincent vd Voort 16500
27. Krzysztof Ratajski 16000
28. Dimitri vd Bergh 13000
29. Ted Evetts 13000
30. William O'connor 12000 Countback: ET 9: 2000, ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 3000, ET 12: 2000
31. Ross Smith 12000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0
32. John Henderson 11000 Countback: ET 9: 2000, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 2000
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33. Max Hopp 10500 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0
34. Justin Pipe 10000 Countback: ET 9: 2000, ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
35. Kyle Anderson 10000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 2000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
36. Brendan Dolan 10000 Countback: ET 9: 1000, ET 10: 2000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0
37. Rowby-John Rodriguez 9000 Countback: ET 9: 1000, ET 10: 5000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0
38. Danny Noppert 9000 Countback: ET 9: 3000, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
39. Michael Smith 9000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0
40. Raymond van Barneveld 9000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0
41. Mike de Decker 8000 Countback: ET 10: 3000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 1000, ET 13: 0
42. Ritchie Edhouse 8000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
43. Kim Huybrechts 8000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0
44. James Richardson 7000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
57. Michael Rosenauer 5000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 1000
58. Steffen Siepmann 5000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 0
59. Steve West 5000 Countback: ET 9: 1000, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
66. Luke Woodhouse 4000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
77. Krzysztof Kciuk 3000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
78. Harry Ward 3000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
93. Cor Dekker 2000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
94. Richard North 2000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
94. Joe Murnan 2000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
94. Davy v Baelen 2000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
100. Wessel Nijman 2000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:25 am
by Deleted User
Thank god you posted this.
Can't wait for the next one half way through round 2.
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:01 pm
by ssjsa
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:52 pm
by JeroenvdV
update after Riesa (ET 12) including ET 13 seeds
IN top 32: John Henderson
OUT top 32: Max Hopp
1. Michael van Gerwen 135000
2. Ian White 89000
3. Gerwyn Price 70000
4. Daryl Gurney 61500
5. Mensur Suljovic 58500
6. Dave Chisnall 52000
7. Joe Cullen 50000
8. Peter Wright 49000
9. Jamie Hughes 44500
10. Rob Cross 44000
11. Adrian Lewis 30500
12. Keegan Brown 27000
13. Ricky Evans 27000
14. Stephen Bunting 27000
15. James Wade 27000
16. Simon Whitlock 25500
17. Glen Durrant 24500
18. Johnny Clayton 23500
19. Steve Beaton 23500
20. Nathan Aspinall 23000
21. Chris Dobey 21000
22. Mervyn King 20000
23. Darren Webster 19000
24. Jermaine Wattimena 18000
25. Jeffrey de Zwaan 17000
26. Vincent vd Voort 16500
27. Krzysztof Ratajski 16000
28. Dimitri vd Bergh 13000
29. Ted Evetts 13000
30. William O'connor 12000 Countback: ET 9: 2000, ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 3000, ET 12: 2000
31. Ross Smith 12000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0
32. John Henderson 11000 Countback: ET 9: 2000, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 2000
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33. Max Hopp 10500 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0
34. Justin Pipe 10000 Countback: ET 9: 2000, ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
35. Kyle Anderson 10000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 2000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
36. Brendan Dolan 10000 Countback: ET 9: 1000, ET 10: 2000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0
37. Rowby-John Rodriguez 9000 Countback: ET 9: 1000, ET 10: 5000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0
38. Danny Noppert 9000 Countback: ET 9: 3000, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000
39. Michael Smith 9000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: seeded
40. Raymond van Barneveld 9000 Countback: ET 9: 0, ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0
79. Krzysztof Kciuk 3000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
93. Cor Dekker 2000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
100. Wessel Nijman 2000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:18 pm
by oche balboa
Good work mate
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:21 pm
by Deleted User
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:47 pm
by Paddy McGinty
You are so negative nowadays.......rise above it.
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:42 pm
by Deleted User
Paddy McGinty wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:47 pm
You are so negative nowadays.......rise above it.
You made me this way.
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:49 pm
by ssjsa
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:13 pm
by JeroenvdV
update after ET 13 qualifiers
IN top 32: Justin Pipe
OUT top 32: John Henderson
1. Michael van Gerwen 135000
2. Ian White 89000
3. Gerwyn Price 70000
4. Daryl Gurney 61500
5. Mensur Suljovic 58500
6. Dave Chisnall 52000
7. Joe Cullen 50000
8. Peter Wright 49000
9. Jamie Hughes 45500
10. Rob Cross 44000
11. Adrian Lewis 30500
12. Keegan Brown 28000
13. Ricky Evans 27000
14. Stephen Bunting 27000
15. James Wade 27000
16. Simon Whitlock 25500
17. Glen Durrant 24500
18. Steve Beaton 24500
19. Johnny Clayton 23500
20. Nathan Aspinall 23000
21. Chris Dobey 22000
22. Darren Webster 20000
23. Mervyn King 20000
24. Jeffrey de Zwaan 18000
25. Jermaine Wattimena 18000
26. Vincent vd Voort 16500
27. Krzysztof Ratajski 16000
28. Dimitri vd Bergh 14000
29. William O'connor 13000
30. Ted Evetts 13000
31. Ross Smith 12000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 0
32. Justin Pipe 11000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 1000
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33. John Henderson 11000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 0
34. Max Hopp 10500 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 0
35. Kyle Anderson 10000 Countback: ET 10: 2000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 0
36. Danny Noppert 10000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 1000
37. Brendan Dolan 10000 Countback: ET 10: 2000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 0
38. Rowby-John Rodriguez 9000 Countback: ET 10: 5000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 0
39. Ritchie Edhouse 9000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 1000
40. Kim Huybrechts 9000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
41. Michael Smith 9000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: seeded
42. Raymond van Barneveld 9000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 0
44. Steve West 7000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 3000, ET 13: 1000
45. Scott Taylor 7000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
46. Kirk Shepherd 7000 Countback: ET 10: 2000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
54. Jose de Sousa 6000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
63. Ryan Joyce 5000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
67. Ryan Meikle 4000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
68. Robert Thornton 4000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
72. Darius Labanauskas 4000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
82. Krzysztof Kciuk 3000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
93. Cor Dekker 2000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
100. Wessel Nijman 2000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
110. Matt Clark 1000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
110. Tony Newell 1000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
110. Paul Rowley 1000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
110. Carl Wilkinson 1000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:30 pm
by JeroenvdV
update after ET 13 qualifiers including ET 13 qualifying options
tbh qualifying options could change if number 32 have 12k
IN top 32: Justin Pipe
OUT top 32: John Henderson
1. Michael van Gerwen 135000
2. Ian White 89000
3. Gerwyn Price 70000
4. Daryl Gurney 61500
5. Mensur Suljovic 58500
6. Dave Chisnall 52000
7. Joe Cullen 50000
8. Peter Wright 49000
9. Jamie Hughes 45500
10. Rob Cross 44000
11. Adrian Lewis 30500
12. Keegan Brown 28000
13. Ricky Evans 27000
14. Stephen Bunting 27000
15. James Wade 27000
16. Simon Whitlock 25500
17. Glen Durrant 24500
18. Steve Beaton 24500
19. Johnny Clayton 23500
20. Nathan Aspinall 23000
21. Chris Dobey 22000
22. Darren Webster 20000
23. Mervyn King 20000
24. Jeffrey de Zwaan 18000
25. Jermaine Wattimena 18000
26. Vincent vd Voort 16500
27. Krzysztof Ratajski 16000
28. Dimitri vd Bergh 14000
29. William O'connor 13000
30. Ted Evetts 13000
31. Ross Smith 12000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 0
32. Justin Pipe 11000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 1000
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33. John Henderson 11000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 0
--------------------------------------------------------------------- must reach second round of ET 13-----------------------------------------------------
36. Danny Noppert 10000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 1000
--------------------------------------------------------------------- must reach third round of ET 13-----------------------------------------------------
39. Ritchie Edhouse 9000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 1000
40. Kim Huybrechts 9000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
41. Michael Smith 9000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: seeded
--------------------------------------------------------------------- must reach quarterfinal of ET 13-----------------------------------------------------
44. Steve West 7000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 3000, ET 13: 1000
45. Scott Taylor 7000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
46. Kirk Shepherd 7000 Countback: ET 10: 2000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
--------------------------------------------------------------------- must reach semifinal of ET 13-----------------------------------------------------
54. Jose de Sousa 6000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
--------------------------------------------------------------------- must reach final of ET 13-----------------------------------------------------
63. Ryan Joyce 5000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
67. Ryan Meikle 4000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
68. Robert Thornton 4000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
72. Darius Labanauskas 4000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
82. Krzysztof Kciuk 3000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
93. Cor Dekker 2000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
100. Wessel Nijman 2000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
--------------------------------------------------------------------- must win ET 13-----------------------------------------------------
110. Matt Clark 1000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
110. Tony Newell 1000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
110. Paul Rowley 1000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
110. Carl Wilkinson 1000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 1000
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:18 am
by JeroenvdV
update after first round Gibraltar (ET 13)
The minumum amount needed is gonna change to 12k today, as Michael Smith plays Noppert, with the winner almost guaranteed a spot at European Championship
IN top 32: Danny Noppert
OUT top 32: Justin Pipe
1. Michael van Gerwen 135000
2. Ian White 89000
3. Gerwyn Price 70000
4. Daryl Gurney 61500
5. Mensur Suljovic 58500
6. Dave Chisnall 52000
7. Joe Cullen 50000
8. Peter Wright 49000
9. Jamie Hughes 45500
10. Rob Cross 44000
11. Adrian Lewis 30500
12. Keegan Brown 28000
13. Ricky Evans 27000
14. Stephen Bunting 27000
15. James Wade 27000
16. Steve Beaton 25500
17. Simon Whitlock 25500
18. Glen Durrant 24500
19. Johnny Clayton 23500
20. Nathan Aspinall 23000
21. Chris Dobey 23000
22. Darren Webster 20000
23. Mervyn King 20000
24. Jeffrey de Zwaan 19000
25. Jermaine Wattimena 18000
26. Vincent vd Voort 16500
27. Krzysztof Ratajski 16000
28. Dimitri vd Bergh 15000
29. William O'connor 13000
30. Ted Evetts 13000
31. Ross Smith 12000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 0
32. Danny Noppert 11000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 2000
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33. Justin Pipe 11000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 1000
34. John Henderson 11000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------must beat Danny Noppert-----------------------------------------------
41. Michael Smith 9000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: seeded
--------------------------------------------------------------------- must reach quarterfinal of ET 13-----------------------------------------------------
36. Ritchie Edhouse 10000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 2000
37. Kim Huybrechts 10000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 2000
--------------------------------------------------------------------- must reach final of ET 13-----------------------------------------------------
44. Michael Rosenauer 7000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 3000, ET 13: 2000
49. Jose de Sousa 7000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 2000
54. Ryan Joyce 6000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 2000
67. Krzysztof Kciuk 4000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 2000
--------------------------------------------------------------------- must win ET 13-----------------------------------------------------
83. Wessel Nijman 3000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 2000
98. Dyson Parody 2000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 2000
98. Paul Rowley 2000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 2000
98. Carl Wilkinson 2000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 2000
98. David Francis 2000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 2000
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:58 am
by JeroenvdV
update after second round Gibraltar (ET 13)
IN top 32: Michael Smith
OUT top 32: Danny Noppert
1. Michael van Gerwen 138000
2. Ian White 92000
3. Gerwyn Price 73000
4. Daryl Gurney 64500
5. Mensur Suljovic 61500
6. Dave Chisnall 55000
7. Joe Cullen 53000
8. Peter Wright 52000
9. Rob Cross 47000
10. Jamie Hughes 45500
11. Adrian Lewis 30500
12. James Wade 30000
13. Keegan Brown 28000
14. Glen Durrant 27500
15. Ricky Evans 27000
16. Stephen Bunting 27000
17. Nathan Aspinall 26000
18. Steve Beaton 25500
19. Simon Whitlock 25500
20. Johnny Clayton 23500
21. Chris Dobey 23000
22. Jermaine Wattimena 21000
23. Darren Webster 20000
24. Mervyn King 20000
25. Krzysztof Ratajski 19000
26. Jeffrey de Zwaan 19000
27. Vincent vd Voort 16500
28. Dimitri vd Bergh 15000
29. William O'connor 13000
30. Ted Evetts 13000
31. Michael Smith 12000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 3000
32. Ross Smith 12000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 1000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 0
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-------------------------------------------------------must beat James Wade---------------------------------------------------------------------------
33. Kim Huybrechts 11000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 0, ET 13: 3000
----------------------------------------------------------cannot qualify----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
34. Danny Noppert 11000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 2000
35. Justin Pipe 11000 Countback: ET 10: 1000, ET 11: 0, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 1000
36. John Henderson 11000 Countback: ET 10: 0, ET 11: 2000, ET 12: 2000, ET 13: 0
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:04 pm
by Deleted User
Thank god the round by round updates have been posted.
Can't wait for the one after the 5th last sixteen game.
#MeaninglessStats
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:16 pm
by Ginge
Imagine if someone was already updating all this live without spamming a forum with lines and lines of text multiple times a day....
https://www.dartsrankings.com/eurotour
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:32 pm
by Deleted User
He's probably just pasting that into his own spreadsheet and whacking it on here.
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:33 pm
by ILAD
Can a thread not be started for twitter/facebook and general stalking posts to be placed, save spamming every thread? SSJSA what’s your thoughts on this?
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:23 pm
by oche balboa
Thanks for the timeline of rankings JeroenvdV
Re: ET order of merit
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:59 pm
by ChrisW
If it gets up David's nose it's fine by me.