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Re: BDO Cash Grab!

Post by ssjsa » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:11 pm

oche balboa wrote:
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England Darts response

Dear Des & BDO Board of Directors.
 Further to the communication we received on Thursday evening concerning events within the BDO Invitational system, there are several concerns we have.

1. Some events have already taken place following the Invitational table existing rules as of the 1st October 2019
2. The changing of the rules will affect events which are already advertised and published, which includes the awarded categories and prize breakdowns along with entry criteria as per the existing rules.

a) Are the events which have already taken place in the Invitation table of 2019-2020 to be charged retrospectively, or even removal of points allocated should this retrospective payment either withheld or Countries not in a financial position to pay this, due to their commercial budgetary commitments to when these events were held?

b) Or are we to have a two tier Invitation table where events prior to the 1st January 2020, are accepted under the previous regulations in the BDO handbook, and only events held after are subject to the new regulations issue to the countries on Thursday 28th November 2019?

3. England are a responsible organisation, we have due diligence of accessing the viability of our events, and within that parameter, attempting to give our customers (the players) the highest available category in the system, we budget our events to take into account, prize monies, officials costings, upkeep of equipment, and just as important attempting to cover these cost from our sponsors. To change the criteria of the BDO Invitational table after we have done all the above for this year’s events, leaves us with serious financial problems as:

a) Increasing the entry fees of around £3 per event per player, could have a drastic effect on the entries which in turn will make a reduction in profits for the sponsor, with the resulting ongoing problem of securing future deals at a similar package.

b)  Reduction of prize monies then gives us a problem that the advertise Category would then decreased to the level below, and puts us in conflict with our advertised event criteria, especially as some players  have already entered under the original criteria, and possibly organised their hotels and transport to attend the events. If players demand a refund, due to the fact what they purchased (which is a contract between themselves and us by completing the enter fee), is not what they are receiving. Who is responsible for paying this refund?

c) The only other option open to us would be to increase the membership costs to our member counties to around £500; we have no current mandate from our members therefor this is not an option we would consider.

4. Having done the calculations on our (England) events of 2019 this new levy if repeated from 1st Jan, 2020 will result in the England’s accounts, being £9296.00 worse off for the 2020 financial year, this is a serious situation considering we don’t make this amount of profit in any year, resulting in ourselves trading at a loss, and to be quite honest we have not even had a chance to address this in any of the options above.

5. With all the uncertainty surrounding the financial viability or even guarantee of this year’s World Championships taking place, due to the poor current take up of tickets for the O2 how can anyone have any confidence that the 3 or in fact any of the 2020 TV events, will take place.

6. If, however this increase is as you mention in the communication is for the development of IT systems, and not for underpinning future/current event prize funds, we are at a loss to see where the BDO could possibly need this type of potential figure. However, if it is to be used as income to underpin events and/ or current contractual agreements then surely some immediate statement should be forthcoming as to the ongoing viability of the BDO in its present form.

7. The England Directors and our commercial partners need time before we can confirm our commitment to this forthcoming season invitation table. In the case of the Isle of Man we have not this time available as players have, and are already booked for the event under the terms and conditions advertised in conjunction with our contractual agreements with the Isle of Man Government, and we need to advise them immediately on Monday 2nd December, 2019, on this change of policy from the BDO.
8 We would ask that a reconsideration of action taken by the BDO Board of Directors and a reappraisal of the business areas the BDO can confidentially continue with, to save the company be taken ASAP.


9 England are not against the idea that to give BDO Invitation points, should result in a fee, however this fee/fees should have been put in a document to all the countries, for them to consider, and then they could make a commercial decision event by event, with their own national executives.

10 If this was to start from 1st October 2020, we could have, perhaps made some attempts to address these new costs but at this late notice I am currently taking advice from The England Directors and our commercial partners before we can confirm our commitment to this forthcoming seasons invitation table, and to be honest the financial figures within the England Darts Organisation, will make this virtually impossible without affecting our trading accounts for 2020.

Obviously we are mindful that any of our events this year not carrying BDO Invitation points will undoubtedly affect our entry levels, the England executive will have a decision to be made as to whether the loss of participants and their associated entry fees will equal the potential global expected levy of £10,000 we are facing in 2020.

We really don’t know!!!

Perhaps the level of entries and subsequent reduction of participation at our events will result in lesser prize funds for the players at England events, with resulting current contracts being in jeopardy and needing to be re-negotiated at lower levels or discontinued.

Yours Faithfully
Tommy Thompson
Chairman England Darts Organisation Limited
A very well constructed and pertinent response from Tommy. :DDDD:

The dictatorship that is Des Jacklin and his BDO board, need to be challenged on their despotic edicts, and perhaps realise that they cannot disguise their fiscal incompetence by these desperate measures to mitigate the lost revenue from the sales they expected to get from the WC at the Indigo, to pay the prize money they have promised.
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Re: BDO Cash Grab!

Post by TheSandman » Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:10 am

Glorious

I have no sympathy at all for the EDO, both Tommy T-Rex and the lapdog put there full backing behind Des Jacklin in his accent to chairman of the BDO.

The BDO is on its last leg and these fee’s will cripple the system.

The players chasing points, book flights and hotels at the start of the season, how many of the tourneys on the calendar will either not pay the fee’s and withdraw the advertised BDO points or just cancel the tourney. The players will be left out of pocket either way.

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Post by nikkiboy » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:22 am

Paul, you still glad you backed Des for the top job?

Unbelievable but at the same time utterly predictable.
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Post by devosteve » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:33 am

Any news from the Dutch agm yet?
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Post by Ginge » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:43 am

nikkiboy wrote:Paul, you still glad you backed Des for the top job?

Unbelievable but at the same time utterly predictable.
Yes but but but Roger was Dave Chisnalls manager so he had a conflict of interests!!!!

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Post by oche balboa » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:52 am

Wonder what Roger would have done.

Well he would have kept it at Lakeside for a start, and i'm sure the refs would have stayed too.
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Post by Ginge » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:53 am

Yes but Roger couldnt possibly have done the job, its a good job they elected someone with no conflict of interests instead whose missus is currently the seasonal ranked #1 player.

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Post by markymark » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:27 am

Why did they fall for that line?

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Post by Ginge » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:31 am

markymark wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:27 am
Why did they fall for that line?
I remember at the time when the Fanatics were saying they needed to dig into the business dealings of Roger and then all started crying when someone on here posted a link from Companies House for the company Des is named on :roll:

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Post by Buzz Fledderjohn » Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:16 am

First up, no way in this life or the next did Tommy write the EDO response. It's got long words and proper punctuation and stuff.

So having been away all weekend and only just catching up, have I got this right? Des, having failed to generate any sponsors (you know, the sponsors he's had lined up for over a year) and realising the cupboard is bare, has decided to keep the good ship BDO afloat by launching some sort of half-arsed Ponzi scheme, only the people at the bottom being shafted have cottoned on to that fact long before those at the top have successfully cashed in?

This all just gets better by the day.

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Post by el_ringo » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:31 pm

Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:16 am
So having been away all weekend and only just catching up, have I got this right? Des, having failed to generate any sponsors (you know, the sponsors he's had lined up for over a year) and realising the cupboard is bare, has decided to keep the good ship BDO afloat by launching some sort of half-arsed Ponzi scheme, only the people at the bottom being shafted have cottoned on to that fact long before those at the top have successfully cashed in?
Well for all we know as Des never elaborated on his proposal this may have been one and it also means that every event holder becomes a 'sponsor' and every person who plays in such an event is now also 'sponsoring' the BDO. Given by the number of BDO ranked events and add in the number of players that's a massive number of new 'sponsors' and 'sponsorship' cash. It's how people like this work by using spin to cover up their failings or possible misappropriation of money from investors etc.
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Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:31 am
I remember at the time when the Fanatics were saying they needed to dig into the business dealings of Roger and then all started crying when someone on here posted a link from Companies House for the company Des is named on :roll:

You mean when the highly competent EDO representatives failed to do any due diligence on their personally endorsed candidate even though these are all freely available public records ? Lets hope they haven't now checked the last accounts either as it seems the 'multi millionaire' Jackchins failed to make any money in that accounting period as well or indeed again fail to have any assets worth such a 'multi' or 'millionaire' claim.

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Post by Buzz Fledderjohn » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:55 pm

el_ringo wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:31 pm
You mean when the highly competent EDO representatives failed to do any due diligence on their personally endorsed candidate even though these are all freely available public records ? Lets hope they haven't now checked the last accounts either as it seems the 'multi millionaire' Jackchins failed to make any money in that accounting period as well or indeed again fail to have any assets worth such a 'multi' or 'millionaire' claim.
In fairness, ensuring those you are handing a fiduciary duty to are fit and proper has never been one of Tommy's strengths. Irene is testament to that.

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Post by el_ringo » Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:15 pm

Incidentally at what months BDO meeting was this proposal raised and voted on by the member counties ?

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Post by markymark » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:26 pm

Funny point from "The Boss" that the initial thread might have been deleted from Fanatics because the letter was for the public domain and the BDO allow them to use BDO in the Facebook group name. Can't have Steve up before the disciplinary.

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Post by devosteve » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:33 pm

markymark wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:26 pm
Funny point from "The Boss" that the initial thread might have been deleted from Fanatics because the letter was for the public domain and the BDO allow them to use BDO in the Facebook group name. Can't have Steve up before the disciplinary.
I thought that was a strange reply. Guess the reason is that see themselves as an official bdo Facebook page. Sanctioned by the bdo!

Doesn't seem to be any support for these new fees bty.
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Post by Skewball » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:35 pm

I think you expect a period when a lot of posts will get removed as the Jacklin's inevitably start to crack down on social media negative posts. Des was of course all for social media openness at the beginning but as things go tits up then, like any dictatorship, he will close down discussion.

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Post by devosteve » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:51 pm

Skewball wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:35 pm
I think you expect a period when a lot of posts will get removed as the Jacklin's inevitably start to crack down on social media negative posts. Des was of course all for social media openness at the beginning but as things go tits up then, like any dictatorship, he will close down discussion.
He has blocked me on Facebook. But can he see my posts, the thread I started on original fanatics?
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Post by oche balboa » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:30 pm

Dont trust Steve Egerton btw.
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Post by Bag Carrier » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:45 pm

devosteve wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:09 pm
Bag Carrier wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:36 am
Dutch open will be about £10k as a rough guess with 5% paid and £2 from every entry.

I have said for years countries should pay to have BDO points, It makes business sense to me, But they have never done this.

Making the £2 levy is the BDO's way of trying to compete with the WDF IMO as I feel there worried about the rumours of the WDF moving in there own direction with events and the Lakeside being touted as the venue and certain people that have left the BDO helping them out.

I can see a boycott on this from countries and it will be the players that have booked up chasing BDO points that will loose out.

The season and rules start from October and so should anything like this.
I see you disagree with the timing but agree with principle of.paying for points. Guess it brings cash in for the BDO.

Is it just the levy or also the 5% you agree with?
I agree with the 5% levy and this should be enough and no need for the extra £2 per player.
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Post by Paddy McGinty » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:48 pm

oche balboa wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:30 pm
Dont trust Steve Egerton btw.
No he bans people who dare to ask an awkward question.... Sycophantic he is.
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