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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by oche balboa » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:04 pm

Or try and have more boards. Or actually move it away from Riley's
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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by clarky » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:07 pm

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Rout wrote:They said on itv just now that fallon had to wait TEN hours before playing her first match in this.

Is that seriously right? Absolutely embarrassing if it is.
I’d say it’s ridiculous, don’t know how you make it less though without capping the entries or having the pdc take over the running of these and have them as open challenge tour type events.

Not really embarrassing though for anyone, if anything it shows the growth in the game that 200 are turning up to these qualifiers
Its a hard one as the numbers are certainly increasing - I have always looked after the Coventry qualifier and until last year we always used 4 of the 6 boards available (leaving one empty and the other for practice) but due to increased numbers last year we ended up using all 6 boards which meant that we had to set up practice boards upstairs but sadly the PA system does not reach upstairs

If the Rileys venue is unable to provide somebody to run the event then the PDC do send somebody to officiate - I know that Owen Binks was asked by the PDC to look after the Victoria Qualifier this year
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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by Zapp Brannigan » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:07 pm

oche balboa wrote:Or try and have more boards. Or actually move it away from Riley's
To where? Who bar the off have the capabilities to run this

Same with adding more boards. The Riley’s I’ve been to couldnt for any more

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by Rout » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:33 pm

I ran an open with 160-170 entries on an 8 board set up. Entries far beyond what we expected. Started at 10.30, done by 6ish.

Shorter format games maybe, but 14 hours is embarrassing. No two ways about it.

It's been like this for years at some of the venues. Bring in a few more stands ffs. Move some pool tables if you have to.


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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by clarky » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:41 pm

Rout wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:33 pm
I ran an open with 160-170 entries on an 8 board set up. Entries far beyond what we expected. Started at 10.30, done by 6ish.

Shorter format games maybe, but 14 hours is embarrassing. No two ways about it.

It's been like this for years at some of the venues. Bring in a few more stands ffs. Move some pool tables if you have to.
Start time is 12.30pm and Wolves finished at midnight so 11 and half hours - Norwich did well yesterday as they had 170 entries and that was done and dusted by 8.30pm.

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by DavidOwen67 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:48 pm

oche balboa wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:04 pm
Or try and have more boards. Or actually move it away from Riley's
Is the correct answer.

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by Rout » Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:49 pm

clarky wrote:
Rout wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:33 pm
I ran an open with 160-170 entries on an 8 board set up. Entries far beyond what we expected. Started at 10.30, done by 6ish.

Shorter format games maybe, but 14 hours is embarrassing. No two ways about it.

It's been like this for years at some of the venues. Bring in a few more stands ffs. Move some pool tables if you have to.
Start time is 12.30pm and Wolves finished at midnight so 11 and half hours - Norwich did well yesterday as they had 170 entries and that was done and dusted by 8.30pm.
I got the 14 hours off various places it was reported, including fallons twitter.

So theres one small fix already. Start a bit earlier to avoid a midnight finish.

Few years back the chorlton one had 13-14 boards up and only 4 were being used as match boards and it was a similar story to this.

Cant help thinking if this wasnt pdc affiliated, there would be a lot less forgiveness about it.

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by clarky » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:33 pm

Rout wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:49 pm
clarky wrote:
Rout wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:33 pm
I ran an open with 160-170 entries on an 8 board set up. Entries far beyond what we expected. Started at 10.30, done by 6ish.

Shorter format games maybe, but 14 hours is embarrassing. No two ways about it.

It's been like this for years at some of the venues. Bring in a few more stands ffs. Move some pool tables if you have to.
Start time is 12.30pm and Wolves finished at midnight so 11 and half hours - Norwich did well yesterday as they had 170 entries and that was done and dusted by 8.30pm.
I got the 14 hours off various places it was reported, including fallons twitter.

So theres one small fix already. Start a bit earlier to avoid a midnight finish.

Few years back the chorlton one had 13-14 boards up and only 4 were being used as match boards and it was a similar story to this.

Cant help thinking if this wasnt pdc affiliated, there would be a lot less forgiveness about it.
At least there is no pre draw this year as that was a complete nightmare - basically 20 people who paid but never turned up on the day were still included in the draw and quite a few of these people were drawn in the same part of the draw - end result was players getting byes through 2 or 3 rounds and then complaining that they had been in the venue for hours and not played yet others had played twice

Another bonus this year is that start time is BY 12.30pm - previously registration closed at 11.30am and play commenced at 1pm but obviously it does not take 90 minutes to do a draw - As soon as the draw is made on DFW I hope to be under way shortly afterwards

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by Wazza180 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:47 pm

Rout wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:49 pm
clarky wrote:
Rout wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:33 pm
I ran an open with 160-170 entries on an 8 board set up. Entries far beyond what we expected. Started at 10.30, done by 6ish.

Shorter format games maybe, but 14 hours is embarrassing. No two ways about it.

It's been like this for years at some of the venues. Bring in a few more stands ffs. Move some pool tables if you have to.
Start time is 12.30pm and Wolves finished at midnight so 11 and half hours - Norwich did well yesterday as they had 170 entries and that was done and dusted by 8.30pm.
I got the 14 hours off various places it was reported, including fallons twitter.

So theres one small fix already. Start a bit earlier to avoid a midnight finish.

Few years back the chorlton one had 13-14 boards up and only 4 were being used as match boards and it was a similar story to this.

Cant help thinking if this wasnt pdc affiliated, there would be a lot less forgiveness about it.
To play 12 hours at the required standard is very impressive.

Still I agree. The usual suspects would let us know about it if the BDO ran an event like this.

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by clarky » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:08 pm

Wazza180 wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:47 pm
Rout wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:49 pm
clarky wrote:
Rout wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:33 pm
I ran an open with 160-170 entries on an 8 board set up. Entries far beyond what we expected. Started at 10.30, done by 6ish.

Shorter format games maybe, but 14 hours is embarrassing. No two ways about it.

It's been like this for years at some of the venues. Bring in a few more stands ffs. Move some pool tables if you have to.
Start time is 12.30pm and Wolves finished at midnight so 11 and half hours - Norwich did well yesterday as they had 170 entries and that was done and dusted by 8.30pm.
I got the 14 hours off various places it was reported, including fallons twitter.

So theres one small fix already. Start a bit earlier to avoid a midnight finish.

Few years back the chorlton one had 13-14 boards up and only 4 were being used as match boards and it was a similar story to this.

Cant help thinking if this wasnt pdc affiliated, there would be a lot less forgiveness about it.
To play 12 hours at the required standard is very impressive.

Still I agree. The usual suspects would let us know about it if the BDO ran an event like this.
To be fair Ian she never played at that standard for 12 hours she played at that standard for 4 hours as she never threw a dart before then but still a wonderful achievement

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by fling » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:37 pm

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Never heard of Adam Huckdale.
Very good player who I think won a challenge tour last weekend.
Had a cracker of a game with Keane Barry on the Sunday but lost.

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by Black Velvet » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:44 pm

fling wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:37 pm
Black Velvet wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:54 pm
Never heard of Adam Huckdale.
Very good player who I think won a challenge tour last weekend.
Had a cracker of a game with Keane Barry on the Sunday but lost.
That was Adam Huckvale.

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by trotter01 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:43 pm

Who's going to sponsor the qualifiers if not Rileys.. Punch Taverns used to have the qualifiers and that was a farce.. At least Rileys hold legitimate qualifiers... There would need to be another sponsor with venues for them to be replaced.

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by Rout » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:47 pm

The venue isnt the problem. It's just a building.

It's the logistics and organisation of the qualifiers.

It falls on the tournament organiser to do a better job of running what really is a run of the mill darts comp with a fairly standard amount of entries, the likes of which happen all over the country and world every weekend, most of which do a much better job with much less resources.

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by Dazman » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:50 pm

Few more details on Wolverhampton:

- For whatever reason, those running it on the day were supplied with the list of entrants and it included two duplicate names and two missed off. That needed to be rectified and double-checked, etc.

- Draw didn't start being made and typed up until 12.15pm. This resulted in things getting underway shortly after 1.15pm. Much longer than it should have taken, but that is what happened.

- The competition itself ran fairly smoothly and the organisers couldn't be faulted. They run several comps in the area and there is very rarely an issue. Like has been highlighted with Sherrock, however, there were plenty of instances where some people had played twice or three times before another had played once, partly because people had got fed up and left without telling anyone. I had a mate who had a bye and his last 128 game was at 6.30pm after being at the venue at just after 10am.

- There were eight boards in use and two practice boards, so it was 25/26 to a board. Logistically, may have been able to put a couple of boards elsewhere, but no more.

- One of the organisers felt like it should have been capped at 192. Can't see that ever being the case, though. Personally, I would close registration at 10.30am and get started no later than 11.30am.
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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by clarky » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:53 pm

Rout wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:47 pm
The venue isnt the problem. It's just a building.

It's the logistics and organisation of the qualifiers.

It falls on the tournament organiser to do a better job of running what really is a run of the mill darts comp with a fairly standard amount of entries, the likes of which happen all over the country and world every weekend, most of which do a much better job with much less resources.
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If you win a Rileys qualifier you are guaranteed zero prize money and fields of 150+ are pretty standard.

Not many local opens in the UK will attract a field of 150 these days even with a guaranteed £750 for the winner

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by Rout » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:06 pm


clarky wrote:
Rout wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:47 pm
The venue isnt the problem. It's just a building.

It's the logistics and organisation of the qualifiers.

It falls on the tournament organiser to do a better job of running what really is a run of the mill darts comp with a fairly standard amount of entries, the likes of which happen all over the country and world every weekend, most of which do a much better job with much less resources.
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If you win a Rileys qualifier you are guaranteed zero prize money and fields of 150+ are pretty standard.

Not many local opens in the UK will attract a field of 150 these days even with a guaranteed £750 for the winner
Fair points, but there are opens that attract that sort of attendance. Maybe not week in week out like I originally suggested but often enough throughout the year and they manage to cope much better, without the backing of the pdc behemoth.

How long have Rileys qualifiers been going for? Must be closing on a decade soon. Its nothing new, but it's the same thing year after year.

If there was room for 2 more boards then they should have had 2 more boards. And used all 12 as match boards. Thered be room for more if they moved some of the tables, which they should be prepared to do if needs be.

I really dont get this "oh well what can you do" attitude. Like its just the way it is. Theres a problem, so fix it.

Btw, all of this is aimed at the pdc hierarchy, not the small handful of individual organisers who do a good job with the tools they are given. This is their tournament and their responsibility.

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by Rout » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:13 pm

A good rule of thumb for a darts comp ran in one day is 4 boards for every 64 entrants.

32 - 64 - 4 boards
65 - 128 - 8 boards
129 - 192 - 12 boards
193 - 256 - 16 boards

And so on. That's the minimum really.

(And that's for short format ie best of 5 or 7)

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by clarky » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:25 pm

Cant agree more Rout 16 players per board is a good number - Wolves yesterday was 25 per board

I checked a few minutes ago and we are up to 105 for the Cov qualifier next Saturday but I would expect that to rise to nearer 150 before the entries close - we only have the option of 6 boards so likely to be the equivalent of 25 players per board.

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Re: Ladbrokes 2020 UK Open 6-8 March Somerset

Post by Demolition_fan » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:36 pm

Who cares how many boards there are or how long it takes
Get on with it and stop moaning

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