COSMO DARTS & Fit Flights player input area

[Robert Heckman]

Hello everyone,
I'd like to first thank everyone in advance for supporting our COSMO DARTS players John Part & Justin Pipe on the PDC Tour! I would like to offer this section for honest reviews of our Fit Flights and your own personal experiences. No matter whether they are good, bad or indifferent, we at COSMO DARTS want to hear opinions from the real world & people using them. Of course all of us love to hear the good, but no product is ever perfect, but we would like to try and get as close as possible. Please keep posts professional and respectful, as I will forward the comments to our R&D Dept., General Manager and CEO.

Please keep on topic and only post if you've actually used our products, not repeating hearsay or conjecture. We truly listen to our customers and have already changed formulas and materials for some of our products, because of the great feedback from the darting community. The only topic I will not address is pricing, as we have already lowered UK & North American prices which are cheaper than Asia pricing & we know is much higher than many are use to. There are different quality levels of materials used, just as a Ferrari and Ford both use aluminum & plastic, but one is much higher priced because of branding/function and is the same concept we believe in our products. We want you to obviously use our products, but more importantly, we advocate using what is best for you as an individual first foremost!

[Lee Taylor]

As Rob says, can this thread please be kept for the sole purpose of reviews of COSMO products - and in particular the Fit Flight system.

The eight winners of our competition will be receiving their Fit Flights very soon, and part of the agreement when entering our competition was that each winner would become an official "product tester" and write a short report of their experiences using the Fit Flight system.

I will make this thread a "sticky" so it will always appear at the top of the forum.

Lee.

[Robert Heckman]

Many thanks Lee & congrats to all the winners! We definitely look forward to all of your feedback.

[JID]

I’ve been using the Cosmo Fit system for the last 4 months.
I got a set of normal non-spinning shafts and a set of normal spinning ones and several sets of regular teardrop Fit flights.

I’ve never been too keen on spinning flights as other brands tended to be that loose that they’d spin on your pull back and cause a bit of distraction in your eye. However the Cosmo type spin just enough when it’s actually in the board to give easy passage through for an incoming dart.
I have found that when the flight does pop off that the more you put them back on then ridge on the shaft is wearing and they are becoming slacker and popping off more frequently.

The fixed shaft with close grouping ripped up the flights very quickly. Not just tore them up a bit, but cracked from one side to the other and then require a quick change – which is very quick.

Before I tried these I was a staunch Slik Stik user, but these keep their straightness, whereas Slik Stiks didn’t.
I’ll be sticking with them, spinning shafts, and going to try the Air flights as other reviews have said they’re more durable.
The only other criticism is carrying them, as they have to be ‘fully loaded’ as the yanks might say. So you need either Cosmo’s own cases or an old fashioned drop in case – so bigger pockets as well.

[Bigfred]

Mr. Heckman.
I tried to talk to you at the Canadian PDC tournament in London Ontario in August but you are a very busy man. Every time I approached you, you were in a conversation with someone else. Being the polite Canadian I am, I didn't want to interrupt. All my questions have since been answered.
I have been using The Fit Flight System since Feb. The first set I bought were the 31 mm locked shafts and the normal Kite flights. I had a problem with the flights cutting each other. I then went to the spinning shafts and have never had a cut flight again. I am extremely happy with the Fit Flight System. The only problem I have is once in a while when I have a bounce out, the shaft will break off at the barrel. Most places I play at have concrete floors or are hard floors and if the dart hits the floor at a certain angle, the shaft snaps. Other than that I am very happy with them. My grouping is tighter than ever and the darts fly through the air more true and hit the board nice and straight. I have always been a pretty good player but these shafts and flights have moved it up another notch.
Because of the way I brag about the Fit Flight System, I have turned a few of my dart playing friends onto them.
Keep up the good work.

[Robert Heckman]

Thank you JID & Bigfred for your response! My apologizes Bigfred, it's hard for me to keep track at times, in between trying to focus and play, then deal with business and say hi to my friends and fellow players. Next time don't be so nice, give me a nudge and we can have a sit down over a pint m8!

To address the Regular Fit Flight issue when using locked shafts, YES you are 110% correct! Chris white and I both had that problem. What we found was, that Fit flights are so perfectly engineered at 90* that it makes the leading edges of the flights act as razor blades, very frustrating! But realizing this, Chris and I discovered that if you ever so slightly rough the back of the flights just a wee bit, with either a stone, barrel or sand paper, that took the sharp edge off and NO more cut flights!!!

Also, yes carrying fixed 90* flights poses problems, hence why we made carrying cases designed for them . But in all fairness as much as I would love for everyone to use our cases for the darts and flights, there are other great alternatives as well from other manufacturers. I know Dartmaster, Metro and a few others make a solid plastic holder which will protect and accommodate our flights as well.

For JID, great point again on the popping off. It is extremely easy to pop the Fit Flights back on, but it is a plastic material and after time, the base tends to loosen up and if using the spin system, gives a bit looser feel. The Airs are more flexible, combined with a spin shaft I have confirmed reports from players, the flights have lasted 2-3 months. Not good for business, but great for the player so that's why we believe our prices are fair. Also if you buy in the 6 pack, you save even more and it's like getting the second set at 50% off, just a little secret

When using Airs, I highly recommend carrying them in a case, as extreme heat and cold can sometimes affect them. Also, our system was first designed for the soft darts market in Japan, hence the spin shafts has the highest color range and best seller. As most floors are concrete or wood, soft darts would have many more bounce outs, the spin shafts acted as a shock absorber and minimized breakage. We realized many would hesitate to use a spin because of the "rattle", but we've again virtually eliminated that as well. But we needed to make a locked shaft for the European and North american markets and does tend at times to snap at the base. We are developing a new plastic blend to combat that issue as well!

So if you are still in doubt of how our system can improve your game, give a set a try. Tangible & visual proof your darts will fly faster, flatter and straighter to the board. If your darts wobbled a bit in the air before, these will straighten you out!

Thanks again for the pros/cons report!

[The Cat]

I have just saved your reply for when mine arrive in a few days - this kind of feedback is priceless - thank you Robert.

[Robert Heckman]

You are quite welcome TC! Im trying to figure how to upload a pic of our newest shaft, made of carbon fiber and aluminum! Super light and very strong. The base and tip is aluminum, but the shaft is pure carbon fiber with a hollow center like a fishing rod!

I would love for everyone to use our products, but most importantly, we want players to use what works best for them and not push our products on anyone. Just take it for a test drive, I think you'll like it.

[Lee Taylor]

You are quite welcome TC! Im trying to figure how to upload a pic of our newest shaft, made of carbon fiber and aluminum! Super light and very strong. The base and tip is aluminum, but the shaft is pure carbon fiber with a hollow center like a fishing rod!

I would love for everyone to use our products, but most importantly, we want players to use what works best for them and not push our products on anyone. Just take it for a test drive, I think you'll like it.

If you mail me the picture Rob then I'll post it in this thread.

[Robert Heckman]

Ok will do Lee thanks!

[Paddy McGinty]

Chris and I discovered that if you ever so slightly rough the back of the flights just a wee bit, with either a stone, barrel or sand paper, that took the sharp edge off and NO more cut flights!!!

If this is a known problem, isn't this something that would be better corrected at the manufacturing stage?

Regards Paddy McGinty esq

[skudlooking]

just received my fit flights today the delta trios fantastic as far as fit and quality, the trio flights make my darts go to the board far quicker than a standard flight, being honest that does not suit my game as im used to standards but i will be giving them more than a few throws before i give up! any one with a quick action would find them perfect.

great product

[skudlooking]

j

[billy brooks]

hi whats the difference between fit flight standard and fit flight air standard ? apart from the price one is £3.75 the other is £4.50 ?
many thanks

[Robert Heckman]

@Paddy, in regards to roughing up e back edge. Nathan's something we wouldn't do at the factory. The molds are made to create perfect angles for stability, just a draw back to having a precision engineered fin. The flights were designed originally to be used as a spin system and that cutting affect wasn't an issue then. The fixed shaft is what is allowing the flights to hit each other and not move, and one or the other has to give if it doesn't deflect. We are looking at materials to lessen this, but that is where the Air flights come. They don't have the same tendency as the standards.

In regards to difference between Standard Glights and Standard Air flights, nothing in size just material. the Air flights are 33% lighter and more pliable than the standard material fit flits.

[Lee Taylor]

An update guys - I have now received my delivery of Fit Flights and Stems, from COSMO Darts in Japan!

I will be sorting them out over the weekend, and mailing them out to all of our competition winners early next week.

Remember, part of the deal was that the competition winners would become "Official Product Testers" and write a small review (on this thread please) of their thoughts/experiences with the Fit Flights.

COSMO have sent out a varied selection of flight shapes and stem length so, if you haven't already, please PM me with the details of what you would like me to send you.

Lee.

[Paddy McGinty]

@Paddy, in regards to roughing up e back edge. Nathan's something we wouldn't do at the factory. The molds are made to create perfect angles for stability, just a draw back to having a precision engineered fin. The flights were designed originally to be used as a spin system and that cutting affect wasn't an issue then. The fixed shaft is what is allowing the flights to hit each other and not move, and one or the other has to give if it doesn't deflect. We are looking at materials to lessen this, but that is where the Air flights come. They don't have the same tendency as the standards.

In regards to difference between Standard Glights and Standard Air flights, nothing in size just material. the Air flights are 33% lighter and more pliable than the standard material fit flits.

Thanks for your frank reply Robert.

Paddy

[Lee Taylor]

Okay guys, I spent a couple of hours this afternoon sorting all of the Fit Flights and stems into individual packages to send out to you.

Where possible I have sent what you have requested (a couple of you didn't ask for anything in particular so I've sent a selection).

Basically there are two types of Fit Flight.... the regular "Fit Flight" and the much lighter, thinner "Fit Flight AIR". Where possible I have sent a selection of each type for you to test out.

Also with the stems there are lots of variations... Normal/Slim thickness, and a choice of spinning or locked. Again where possible I have sent a selection.

I've also sent out a copy of the latest COSMO product brochure - but remember, all of the products can be purchased from The Stars of Darts.com sponsor company "HALO Darts".

These packages will go out in Monday's post, so you should receive around the middle of the week.

Have a go, and let everyone know what you think - on this thread please!

Thanks.

Lee.

[Paddy McGinty]

Is there a spare set that I can try out Lee, I'll write an honest review and won't charge you................ if I can have some.

Cheers Paddy

[Lee Taylor]

Is there a spare set that I can try out Lee, I'll write an honest review and won't charge you................ if I can have some.

Cheers Paddy

medium stems and standard flights isn't it?