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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

Post by Skewball » Sat May 19, 2012 7:49 am

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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

Post by Paddy McGinty » Sat May 19, 2012 10:48 am

Lurgan wrote:Its a chav night out, plain and simple
I agree, I thought this would have been right up your street Lurgy :D

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Post by Paddy McGinty » Sat May 19, 2012 10:52 am

Justin Credible wrote:with avalon on this................

not a major., nor is the GSoD a major. in the conventional sense.

A true major wouldhave to have its winnings on the OoM also like a proper major...ie the worlds., and not be selective as to what is to be counted and whats to be dismissed.

Avalon makes another valid point in that due to the money involved it almost guarentees the top players membership again.
Atrue major would not leave out the number 5 player in the world nor leave out the number 10 player in order for a player lower to get in.
Its a glorified exbo, yes its great money, great crowds, but when you have guys like jelle and mardle get wildcards and top players omitted it will never be a major in the true sense of its meaning
Agree with this, why is it so important for some people that it be classed as a major when it clearly isn't?

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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

Post by maddoglewis » Thu May 24, 2012 12:56 am

It should be classed as a major for the following reason:

1. Unlike the golf and tennis majors
the existing PDC majors do not have a long history or being majors: - they are a creation/determination of Sky TV and the PDC, therefore the decision is theirs and they have decided it is a major.

2. We live in modern times and what was a major darts tournament now is not the same as it was 20 years ago.

3. The PL is the biggest darts tournament in the world in terms of TV viewing figures, crowds and sponsorship.
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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

Post by devosteve » Thu Jan 02, 2014 12:29 pm

Thought I would 'bump' this for JC's sake. he still holds the mistaken view that the Pl is not a major. Remember the 5 reasons:

1. The PDC have declared it to be a major. isn't it their right to decide which PDC events come under this name?

2. It has the LARGEST attendence figures for any event including the WC. Forget the 'quality' of fans, the packed out venues with record crowds must play a part in how we value an event?

3. It has one of the HIGHEST payouts in prize money (2nd after the worlds?). The amount of payout does indicate how an event is ranked, that's why both WC's have the highest rewards.

4. It has the 2nd MOST evenings on TV (just beaten by Ally Pally?). 15 (is it now 16) sessions live on the tele must count for something? great viewing figures as well.

5. Lastly: it is the most DIFFICULT event to qualify for.

Most folks miss out on point 5, they get distracted by the wildcards. You have to get into the top 4 to qualify: no other event has such a high criteria for automayic qualification. This is why Wade has missed out.
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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

Post by Paddy McGinty » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:31 pm

Jesus, how can a competition of hand picked personalities ever be described as a major? The majority of players are picked solely because of their popularity with the crowd.
Any competition where a person's personality is more important than their talent is a complete sham in my opinion, I understand why they do it but only an imbecile would ever refer to it as a major.
You can't even describe it as a exhibition neither as these are at least entertaining, with it's farcical format I can safety say that this is definitely one of my least favourite concoctions in the PDC calendar, absolutely meaningless.

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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

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Paddy McGinty wrote:Jesus, how can a competition of hand picked personalities ever be described as a major? The majority of players are picked solely because of their popularity with the crowd.
Any competition where a person's personality is more important than their talent is a complete sham in my opinion, I understand why they do it but only an imbecile would ever refer to it as a major.
You can't even describe it as a exhibition neither as these are at least entertaining, with it's farcical format I can safety say that this is definitely one of my least favourite concoctions in the PDC calendar, absolutely meaningless.

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Post by WCDPA » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:36 pm

Adrian1969 wrote:99% of PDC darters would give their right arms to play the Premier League.

Makes it pretty major in my eyes - looks pretty good on anyones CV.
I wonder if wadey would give his right arm to play in the PL? mind you ge might being a lefty :)

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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

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Paddy McGinty wrote:Jesus, how can a competition of hand picked personalities ever be described as a major? The majority of players are picked solely because of their popularity with the crowd.
Any competition where a person's personality is more important than their talent is a complete sham in my opinion, I understand why they do it but only an imbecile would ever refer to it as a major.
You can't even describe it as a exhibition neither as these are at least entertaining, with it's farcical format I can safety say that this is definitely one of my least favourite concoctions in the PDC calendar, absolutely meaningless.

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What would you class the Zuiderduin and the Proposed BDO WDT as?
The zuiderduin is not 60% wildcards ! But shouldn't recieve points IMO.
The WDT is not invitational the top 16 are seeded into last 32 all other players ( excl pdpa members) can enter the event.

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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

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WCDPA wrote:
Col wrote:
Paddy McGinty wrote:Jesus, how can a competition of hand picked personalities ever be described as a major? The majority of players are picked solely because of their popularity with the crowd.
Any competition where a person's personality is more important than their talent is a complete sham in my opinion, I understand why they do it but only an imbecile would ever refer to it as a major.
You can't even describe it as a exhibition neither as these are at least entertaining, with it's farcical format I can safety say that this is definitely one of my least favourite concoctions in the PDC calendar, absolutely meaningless.

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What would you class the Zuiderduin and the Proposed BDO WDT as?
The zuiderduin is not 60% wildcards ! But shouldn't recieve points IMO.
The WDT is not invitational the top 16 are seeded into last 32 all other players ( excl pdpa members) can enter the event.
will it have wildcards?

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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

Post by Paddy McGinty » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:42 pm

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Paddy McGinty wrote:Jesus, how can a competition of hand picked personalities ever be described as a major? The majority of players are picked solely because of their popularity with the crowd.
Any competition where a person's personality is more important than their talent is a complete sham in my opinion, I understand why they do it but only an imbecile would ever refer to it as a major.
You can't even describe it as a exhibition neither as these are at least entertaining, with it's farcical format I can safety say that this is definitely one of my least favourite concoctions in the PDC calendar, absolutely meaningless.

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What would you class the Zuiderduin and the Proposed BDO WDT as?
Yes I have no time for the Zuidie jolly, another pathetic competition, I don't care what anyone else thinks but Majors should be about the best people in their field competing together.

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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

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Paddy McGinty wrote:
Col wrote:
Paddy McGinty wrote:Jesus, how can a competition of hand picked personalities ever be described as a major? The majority of players are picked solely because of their popularity with the crowd.
Any competition where a person's personality is more important than their talent is a complete sham in my opinion, I understand why they do it but only an imbecile would ever refer to it as a major.
You can't even describe it as a exhibition neither as these are at least entertaining, with it's farcical format I can safety say that this is definitely one of my least favourite concoctions in the PDC calendar, absolutely meaningless.

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What would you class the Zuiderduin and the Proposed BDO WDT as?
Yes I have no time for the Zuidie jolly, another pathetic competition, I don't care what anyone else thinks but Majors should be about the best people in their field competing together.

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And the BDO WDT one?

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Post by trotter » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:49 pm

i think the players would call it a major....it is certainly a major title to hold and the difference in money from winning it down to 10th certainly means its no exhibition..
Keith Deller said that a lot of players are getting too worked up at the Worlds about getting into the Premier League instead of purely concentrating on the Worlds themselves...so that shows how important the players think it is

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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

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Col wrote:
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Col wrote:
Paddy McGinty wrote:Jesus, how can a competition of hand picked personalities ever be described as a major? The majority of players are picked solely because of their popularity with the crowd.
Any competition where a person's personality is more important than their talent is a complete sham in my opinion, I understand why they do it but only an imbecile would ever refer to it as a major.
You can't even describe it as a exhibition neither as these are at least entertaining, with it's farcical format I can safety say that this is definitely one of my least favourite concoctions in the PDC calendar, absolutely meaningless.

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What would you class the Zuiderduin and the Proposed BDO WDT as?
The zuiderduin is not 60% wildcards ! But shouldn't recieve points IMO.
The WDT is not invitational the top 16 are seeded into last 32 all other players ( excl pdpa members) can enter the event.
will it have wildcards?
Has one or 2 but it is open to everybody eligible to enter !

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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

Post by Duterprat » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:51 pm

IMO, a tournament that does not count towards the world rankings cannot be a major, simple as that.

The GSoD is also a fun thing to watch, but has not been a major yet for the same reason. (iirc they change it now/soon).
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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

Post by Paddy McGinty » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:52 pm

Col wrote:
Paddy McGinty wrote:
Col wrote:
Paddy McGinty wrote:Jesus, how can a competition of hand picked personalities ever be described as a major? The majority of players are picked solely because of their popularity with the crowd.
Any competition where a person's personality is more important than their talent is a complete sham in my opinion, I understand why they do it but only an imbecile would ever refer to it as a major.
You can't even describe it as a exhibition neither as these are at least entertaining, with it's farcical format I can safety say that this is definitely one of my least favourite concoctions in the PDC calendar, absolutely meaningless.

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What would you class the Zuiderduin and the Proposed BDO WDT as?
Yes I have no time for the Zuidie jolly, another pathetic competition, I don't care what anyone else thinks but Majors should be about the best people in their field competing together.

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And the BDO WDT one?
The criteria seems OK to me, the top players are all there with the opportunity for all up and coming players to prove themselves, and possibly break through. Everyone is there on merit, not personality.

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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

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WCDPA wrote:
Col wrote:
WCDPA wrote:
Col wrote:
Paddy McGinty wrote:Jesus, how can a competition of hand picked personalities ever be described as a major? The majority of players are picked solely because of their popularity with the crowd.
Any competition where a person's personality is more important than their talent is a complete sham in my opinion, I understand why they do it but only an imbecile would ever refer to it as a major.
You can't even describe it as a exhibition neither as these are at least entertaining, with it's farcical format I can safety say that this is definitely one of my least favourite concoctions in the PDC calendar, absolutely meaningless.

paDDDs
What would you class the Zuiderduin and the Proposed BDO WDT as?
The zuiderduin is not 60% wildcards ! But shouldn't recieve points IMO.
The WDT is not invitational the top 16 are seeded into last 32 all other players ( excl pdpa members) can enter the event.
will it have wildcards?
Has one or 2 but it is open to everybody eligible to enter !

Anything offering wildcards should not be awarding points on any sort of ranking list. Agreed?

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Post by Paddy McGinty » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:55 pm

trotter wrote:i think the players would call it a major....it is certainly a major title to hold and the difference in money from winning it down to 10th certainly means its no exhibition..
Keith Deller said that a lot of players are getting too worked up at the Worlds about getting into the Premier League instead of purely concentrating on the Worlds themselves...so that shows how important the players think it is
Yes financially it is very important to the players, but a large prize fund does not make it a major.
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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

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Paddy McGinty wrote:
Col wrote:
Paddy McGinty wrote:
Col wrote:
Paddy McGinty wrote:Jesus, how can a competition of hand picked personalities ever be described as a major? The majority of players are picked solely because of their popularity with the crowd.
Any competition where a person's personality is more important than their talent is a complete sham in my opinion, I understand why they do it but only an imbecile would ever refer to it as a major.
You can't even describe it as a exhibition neither as these are at least entertaining, with it's farcical format I can safety say that this is definitely one of my least favourite concoctions in the PDC calendar, absolutely meaningless.

paDDDs
What would you class the Zuiderduin and the Proposed BDO WDT as?
Yes I have no time for the Zuidie jolly, another pathetic competition, I don't care what anyone else thinks but Majors should be about the best people in their field competing together.

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And the BDO WDT one?
The criteria seems OK to me, the top players are all there with the opportunity for all up and coming players to prove themselves, and possibly break through. Everyone is there on merit, not personality.

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Everyone is not there on merit. One or two players will be there at the discretion of the event organisers, which makes a mockery of it having points. By all means call it a major, but dont award it points.

Person spends whole year trying to qualify for lakeside and eventually finds out that the player that pips him to the spot done so as he gained points as a wildcard to the WDT. In what world is that fair?

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Re: 5 reasons why the Premier League should be classed a maj

Post by devosteve » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:03 pm

Paddy: it's up to the PDC to decide what is or isn't a major. This is called a PDC major.

Good that we can disagree and debate (you make some good points, though you do ignore the 5th point i make about it being the toughest comp to actually qualify for) but to quote you; "but only an imbecile would ever refer to it as a major".

James Wade is an imbecile? Rod Harrington? Most of the PDC players? And most upsetting of all - are you saying i'm an imbecile?
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