Robert Wagner

[Ecky Thump]

Chase me, chase me!!!

I didn't realise you were a fan of Duncan Norvelle.

I am asking a serious question here after the naming and shaming incident, his behaviour towards anyone who didn't blindly agree with him and as Mod said his "half-arsed" apology, do you not think he lacks credibility?
If you disagree with me I ask again why name the two players who allegedly did this.

You are like a bloody broken record/dog with a bone.

Woof woof

you didn't answer my question

[Basgooner]

I was reading this thread with interest but yet again Spaceman jumped on Paul for mentioning the BDO

FFS what happened to freedom of speech on this forum

FWIW Wagner was bang out of order and knew exactly what he was doing, as for the Ban, I am assuming the BDO contacted Wagner directly, though I have my doubts on this

[WCDPA]

Actually bas it was for asking what PDC would do in a similar position! But apparently that's against the wishes of the members, I felt it was a valid question but Dave didn't, certainly wasn't deregatory IMO.
Seems I still get castigated by Dave about my angst over ladies PDC event and the infamous speedyhire debate. Can't do right in Dave's eyes guess I will just have to live with it. Ophions a different case though he can slag BDO and it's players off at will , I wonder why

[avalon]

What intrigues me is:

A letter is sent to Roar from the BDO stating Robert is not welcome at the Winmau, my question is how and why did Ophion get a copy of this letter. I haven`t been able to find the letter published on FB or anywhere else so, did Roar send someone in the PDC a copy? I doubt that, but it could have happened, or was the letter forwarded to Robert and he shared it with the PDC?

Either way, or any other way, I would say that by Ophion pasting a copy of the letter here on the forum the PDC have involved themselves in this discussion. Criticism of anyone else mentioning the PDC in this topic isn`t really justified because they have involved themselves.

Before you jump on me Ophion, as you normally do, this is not a criticism of you or your post, just an observation.

[spaceman70]

I was reading this thread with interest but yet again Spaceman jumped on Paul for mentioning the BDO

FFS what happened to freedom of speech on this forum

FWIW Wagner was bang out of order and knew exactly what he was doing, as for the Ban, I am assuming the BDO contacted Wagner directly, though I have my doubts on this

I did no such thing. Read the thread.

[spaceman70]

Members complain that everything turns into a BDO v PDC. I simply tried to stop Paul dragging the PDC into something that had nothing to do with them. It's called moderating what the membership have requested!

And the next time you Darren send me a fucking request for some silly game on Facebook you are gone.

[WCDPA]

Had nothing to do with them Dave ??? you know who ophion is ? is he connected to PDC ?
Or is he someone who just seems to get players and other darting officials send him emails that are then posted on here.
All I asked is what they would do in a similar situation, what's so inflammatory about that.

[Basgooner]

Dave I was bored due to my Leg, it was only one request, honest

Anyway Wagner got banned, which was probably the right call

But did the BDO bother to contact him personally?

Also Europeans seem free to play in both Codes until it comes to playing on TV in the PDC, presume Huybrechts had to make a choice after playing so well in the Euro's last year

Problem with Wagner is he hasn't yet made the jump to TV

My post earlier was of course meant to say Paul got jumped on for mentioning PDC

Personally I support the following Orgs

BDO 25%
EDO 25%
PDC 25%
IDO 25%

[spaceman70]

Dave I was bored due to my Leg, it was only one request, honest

Anyway Wagner got banned, which was probably the right call

But did the BDO bother to contact him personally?

Also Europeans seem free to play in both Codes until it comes to playing on TV in the PDC, presume Huybrechts had to make a choice after playing so well in the Euro's last year

Problem with Wagner is he hasn't yet made the jump to TV

My post earlier was of course meant to say Paul got jumped on for mentioning PDC

Personally I support the following Orgs

BDO 25%
EDO 25%
PDC 25%
IDO 25%

Again I didn't jump on Paul's post, I was moderating in the style that has been requested by the membership here. The PDC have nothing to do with this thread.

Carry on about free speech all you want but don't complain when the shoe is on the other foot then.

Or when JC comes on and slags everything BDO!

[Basgooner]

I think the PDC is involved though, as that is the reason he mentioned the BDO (wagner)

And surely Ophion is a PDC official etc who posted two letters

And the reason is the PDC have a TV Rule which now means Huybrechts is a PDC player and if Wagner was as good as Kim, he would be PDC as well now

I am assuming Magnus Caris is a fully fledged PDC now?

Also where has the membership stated that Paul's posts have to be monitered by you personally as no other Mod seems to have the same care and attention you have to Paul

Also where has the PDC been slagged off to the same scale as say a JC BDO Jobber rant

[WCDPA]

Similar to me bas I have paid money to play in or watch
EDO
BDO
PDC (watch only)

Also pay for sky where I watch the PDC whenever I can, at various times I have criticised all 3 , yes even the EDO a couple of years ago on BDO forums , have had one or two disputes with TT and co but they are just when we have a difference of opinions , BDO have also been taken to task on more than one occasion ! Almost to the point of me being banned from the masters first time around it was held in hull , Dave Alderman telling me I could only come in if I didn't cause trouble lol .
Was even called the PDC propaganda minister from BDO bob for my complaints about the board.
My trouble is I say it as I see it in that I take after my boss lol, it cost her in the SS ! but she agrees if the price of entry to an event is silence to something that is wrong ! That price is far to high.

[spaceman70]

I think the PDC is involved though, as that is the reason he mentioned the BDO (wagner)

And surely Ophion is a PDC official etc who posted two letters

And the reason is the PDC have a TV Rule which now means Huybrechts is a PDC player and if Wagner was as good as Kim, he would be PDC as well now

I am assuming Magnus Caris is a fully fledged PDC now?

Also where has the membership stated that Paul's posts have to be monitered by you personally as no other Mod seems to have the same care and attention you have to Paul

Also where has the PDC been slagged off to the same scale as say a JC BDO Jobber rant

Check nikkiboy's post following mine. Honestly you can't fucking win and I'm getting pretty fed up of moderating here, do you think you can do a better job? If so you are welcome to it.

[nikkiboy]

Everyone agrees that the pdc v bdo rubbish is boring and in this Thread there's really no need to bring it up.

As for the who is ophion question - IF he/she wants to reveal themselves then its up to them

[Basgooner]

Well i read the 1st two pages and Rudy Mentioned the PDC 1st with regards to the punishment given to Anderson and funny enough no one batted an eyelid at his post for mentioning the P Word

Anyway back to the Point, surely Europeans should be playing either BDO or PDC and not trying to qualify for PDC events, failing and then going back to the BDO for a few events before trying again

Its not allowed to happen over here, so why should it be allowed in Europe

Only slight comparison is the Q School Failiure's

[tapsa]

Well i read the 1st two pages and Rudy Mentioned the PDC 1st with regards to the punishment given to Anderson and funny enough no one batted an eyelid at his post for mentioning the P Word

Anyway back to the Point, surely Europeans should be playing either BDO or PDC and not trying to qualify for PDC events, failing and then going back to the BDO for a few events before trying again

Its not allowed to happen over here, so why should it be allowed in Europe

Only slight comparison is the Q School Failiure's

As long as nobody pays any direct salaries about playing under certain umbrella it should be free to change every weekend if you want. Even with big names and even in England.

If PDC for example would quarantee "a job" = pays normal salary for just playing and bonuses about winning (like team sports) the situation would be different.

[Basgooner]

Alas Tapsa that will never happen over here, bridges burnt and all that


The PDC and particularly Hearn and Cox look on the BDO as a Joke

Not sure what the BDO Top Boys think to be honest

EDO on the other Hand would love it appears to allow anybody to play as shown by their Casino Series of Darts

I am not too bothered about there being a BDO or a PDC as they have their own agendas for enhancing Darts and in most cases do a good job of it

Just wish the Financial Rewards in Darts was higher for all concerned

[spaceman70]

Alas Tapsa that will never happen over here, bridges burnt and all that


The PDC and particularly Hearn and Cox look on the BDO as a Joke

Not sure what the BDO Top Boys think to be honest

EDO on the other Hand would love it appears to allow anybody to play as shown by their Casino Series of Darts

I am not too bothered about there being a BDO or a PDC as they have their own agendas for enhancing Darts and in most cases do a good job of it

Just wish the Financial Rewards in Darts was higher for all concerned

To be fair the EDO have tried to address the financial awards situation by offering a series with good money. It also has to be said that they were not that well supported, local opens have more people attending.

It is down to the players to support the new events with decent money as well, you can't have it both ways.

[The Master]

Darttournaments should be FOR the players and not for the "body's"

[tapsa]

Alas Tapsa that will never happen over here, bridges burnt and all that


The PDC and particularly Hearn and Cox look on the BDO as a Joke

Not sure what the BDO Top Boys think to be honest

EDO on the other Hand would love it appears to allow anybody to play as shown by their Casino Series of Darts

I am not too bothered about there being a BDO or a PDC as they have their own agendas for enhancing Darts and in most cases do a good job of it

Just wish the Financial Rewards in Darts was higher for all concerned

Martti Ahtisaari didn't get a Nobel Prize by saying "peace will never happen". For god sake Germany was in a war with almost every other european nation only 70 years back and we all are in a same european union.

Bridges can be rebuilt. When there is will

[devosteve]

Message to Ecky Thump: i know you don't like ophinon through your last 'clash' with him but why bring it up every time he posts, lets deal with the issue. Let's not judge every poster on past posts - that's what the IDPA do .

If he has an agenda: so what. If he is a top PDC official: is that a bad thing? revealing this letter has been insightful and helpful i would say.

Now what about BDO - players who are at the Winmau who have said similar things on FB etc. Why are they not banned? Big names, board favourites, or simply they are not (publically) looking at going to the PDC.