nikkiboy wrote:Booji Boy wrote:nikkiboy wrote:Booji Boy wrote:
I cannot think of a government that ever has. Not in recent history anyway.
This last bit all depends upon your perspective, there are millions of people who own their own home because of Thatcher but similarly there are people who lost as much because of the her also. Blair lied through his teeth and put this country into crippling debt and I won't even start on callaghan.
The problem now is that people's expectations have changed, when my parents got married they rented a single room in a shared house with shared toilet and stayed there for years until they saved money to move into a house. It was common for many families to live in the same house whereas nowadays unemployed parents think they have the right to a bigger council/HA house each time they pop out a new child and scream and shout until they get it, some people actually think that their mobile phone bill is a utility and necessity.
We as a society have become lazy and apathetic, the focus has moved from work hard and save for the future to get universal credit and stick it on finace and the stigma that was attached to people who didn't work years ago has disappeared and been replaced by almost a badge of honour that they haven't worked in years.
Of course as a society we should look after those less fortunate, those unable to work and those who just need a bit of support but I really struggle with professional benefit claimers who have never worked and have six kids then complain that the government don't give them enough money, in the old days if you couldn't afford to have any more kids then you didn't have them or waited until you could.
The UK spends a third of it's whole budget on benefits, more than it spends on the NHS, the police and the fire service combined and that is where we have to check that the people who need help are getting it whilst those who abuse the system get zero.
I think you are looking at the past through rose tinted spectacles mate. I was brought up on a council estate in the seventies and trust me there were plenty lazy shirkers cutting about back then just as there is now.
Oh and giving the wife the odd slap was also more acceptable back in those days as well
Wasn't even a punishable crime until the 1970s which is quite frightening in itself
Ditto on the council estate mate and I remember well how the pubs were full on Giro day
There always have been scroungers and fake sick note people and there always will be but does that make it right?
We all know people who don't work because they have an "illness", we've never seen them ill and some of the ones I know are fitter than me. In fact one I know plays weekend league football but his wife can't work because she is his carer and has to look after him. I know people who claim benefits and work cash in hand and people who claim to live alone but actually have their partner living with them.
Should we be paying these types of people when there are genuine people suffering hardship and could do with that money?
I happen to think not, worked all my life and as most of it has been self employed I couldn't afford to be ill and wouldn't get any sick pay even if I were.
Cant stand it mate. Me and the wife work full time and earn good money and yet I see these families at our school both parents not working 3 or 4 kids, new car, holidays abroad the fuucking lot. Does my napper right in so it does. We have to watch all our pennies and pay our holidays off throughout the year.