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Post by Black Velvet » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:59 pm

nikkiboy wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:12 pm
DavidOwen67 wrote:
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Surely this pish should be moved to the rambling thread like all the other bullshit does.
Perhaps if I make a post calling Nikkiboy a fat, Tory dwarf?
Well it would be the first post ever that you haven't made all about you so I think that should stay.
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Queen will have the best China out by now.

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You can see now why it pays to keep the masses uneducated.........
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Paddy McGinty wrote:
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You can see now why it pays to keep the masses uneducated.........
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Paddy McGinty wrote:
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You can see now why it pays to keep the masses uneducated.........
Too right. They voted Labour for decades without reward - their shitstained little towns and villages remained just that. Finally, they've woken up and realised that maybe, just maybe, voting for the same party for 90 years while seeing very little relative improvement in their standard of living isn't the best way to go about things.

Now for once they vote Conservative, Corbynistas call them uneducated (which is ironic coming from them in the first place).

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Post by Black Velvet » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:33 pm

Can't get my head around someone looking at Trump and how he's running America and thinking "fuck, better get me one of those!

Insular, racist dweebs in the most part.

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Haha
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Black Velvet wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:33 pm
Can't get my head around someone looking at Trump and how he's running America and thinking "fuck, better get me one of those!

Insular, racist dweebs in the most part.
There is a huge difference between BoJo and Trump. As a former subscriber of The Spectator it's clear that BoJo is very well educated, very well read and (although I hate to use this word), an intellectual with a classical education. Trump is none of those things. Same goes for Corbyn and that Lib Den leader who lost her own constituency (such a non-entity I forget her name).

BoJo might sound daft at times because of the way he fumbles his words, but there are quite a few of us who write a lot better than we speak ;) I wouldn't assume that people voted Johnson because they wanted a British Trump. I voted Conservative because their policies are better for the middle-class, the economy and foreign policy. They've basically stolen a march on Labour with their end to austerity measures, as that was one thing the Cameron govt. certainly got wrong (although someone needs to do something about the national debt at some point).

As much as some people may hate America, if we lose their alliance it puts us in a very precarious position. Corbyn would piss off all of our allies.

I'm a Remainer, but I expect a lot of British people believe in democracy and that the choice of the people should be respected. Corbyn is no more pro-EU than most Conservatives (albeit for different reasons) and did little to help the Remain vote. As for Lib Dems, they would have wanted a second referendum and perhaps STILL not respected the vote if it didn't go the way they wanted!

It was actually one of the easiest choices I've ever had to make. Even if you were only on the minimum wage, your take home pay would be slightly more under Conservatives than Labour or the Lib Dems (*chuckle*). And Corbyn's attacks on the "super-rich" often came across as attacks on the middle-class. £150,000 threshold for inheritance tax? What's the average house price? Are you super-rich if you live in a home worth £300k?

With all that in mind, I had absolutely no reason to vote for anyone but the Conservatives.

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It probably took you longer to type the boast about not knowing Swinson’s name than it would have to Google it :D

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It probably took you longer to type the boast about not knowing Swinson’s name than it would have to Google it :D
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Post by Rout » Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:25 pm

Ill try using your own method of multi paragraphing MT.

Lets imagine you, me and 98 other people decided to form our own country on some remote island. We move there with varying degrees of wealth. The richest has £100k and the poorest has £1k. We take with us around 1m altogether. For arguments sake lets say there was already a basic infastructure like sanitation, roads, buildings etc . . .

We hold some initial elections and of the middlers gets voted as president and a few others into other positions such as treasury and so forth. Everyone finds their own place, we have a bank, retail, a teacher, services, police, a doctor, trades and so forth. We decide that those in low incomes pay 25% tax and then an increasing scale, 40% for middle incomers, 50% for very high earners and 70% for the seriously high earners, something like that. We use the tax to ensure everyone gets free health care from the doctor and to invest in public services like buses around the island and we pay the likes of the doctor, the police and the teacher out of this pot. There is also provision for people who suffer illlness, injury or simply are struggling to find a place for themselves. Theres a newspaper and even our own TV channel

Things run pretty smoothly for the first few decades or so, to the point where every few years around half dozen more people arrive on the island wanting to settle. Turns out, we actually need more hands on deck as we find ourselves lacking in some areas so these are generally an asset to our island. Some people are really wealthy and have big houses and some are poor and have small houses. But the one or two people that are really wealthy (the bank manager for example) feel its unfair that they pay 75% tax but yet they have their own private doctor, teacher, security and so forth so don't see why they should pay more than the rest for services they don't use. But when they suggest this at the meetings of the council, these one or two people are in the minority so get voted down. The guy in charge is worried he might not get re-elected at the next election and these one or two give him some of their money to help him campaign for reelection. It works, but the guys that funded his campaign now lean on him to influence the changes they want and long story short, this leads to tax cuts for the top earners from 75% down to what everyone else pays. Suddenly, there isn't enough money to pay for all the stuff that taxes pay for. So they start borrowing from away from the island and get in debt to make ends meet. The wealthy start influencing the guys in charge with their money that the way to balance the books is to start privatising their infastructure, so that tax money isn't needed to run services. So the one or two with tons of money buy the services off the island and start running them. Then, prices start to increase massively for day to day things. The middle and lower earners start to find they have less and less money than before even though they are working longer hours than ever before. The one or two buy the newspaper and the TV channel too.

This pattern continues and before long, most of the people on the island work directly, or indirectly, for the one or two. People start to get a bit miffed about the way things are and the newspaper and TV channel tell them every single day that the reason there is less money around is because of all the new people that keep coming to the island. They are told that its also those at the bottom of the ladder that are to blame. They aren't working enough, they take more than they give and those that are too ill to work are the ones to blame. Another election arrives and people are angry about how much crapper their lives are than they used to be and want change. One of the people up for election tells everyone its because the one or two at the top now have over half the islands entire money stashed away and its growing every day. So the richest guy decides to run for election himself. He spends bucket loads more than the other guy on campaigning. He has a monopoly on the newspaper and TV channel and spends 24 hours a day telling the island that the other guy up for election wants to take all your money and give it to scroungers. He wants to invite more people onto the island and this will take up all your tax money too. He even wants to let everyone out of the island jail. He says he will tax you less, meaning youll have more money. The rich guy wins the election and slashes taxes. For people at the bottom this saves them pennies on their income, but he benefits hugely from his own tax cuts. He continues to sell the islands assets to himself so that he can profit off them. He continues to underfund the doctor, the police, the teacher and other services to the point where they simply can't look after everyone anymore. The guy with all the money is completely unaffected by this. They also start voting in laws and loopholes, which most people don't even notice, that allow themselves to pay hardly any tax at all. So by now the poor are still paying their 25% and the richest are paying a single figure % even though they have so much more. The gap between top and bottom has gone from 100k/1k to more like 2m/0.

The rich guy, who by now owns the entire finance system, starts lending public money to people who are struggling and cant afford to make ends meet (as everything now costs miles more than it used to and they don't get paid anymore than they used to). These people can't pay it back and the bank gets in more and more debt and trouble to the point where it collapses. They rich guy in charge convinces everyone using the media he owns that the only way out of it is to borrow more money from elsewhere to bail the bank out otherwise society will collapse. This is done without any vote or say so from the people of the island. People lose their homes and jobs in big numbers as a result.

Anytime anyone suggests going back to how things were, with those that can afford it paying a greater share to the society, is shot down and told they are a commie or a socialist and that they want to help scroungers and fund crime. The island is now totally divided and squabbling like hell with each other, while the rich guy who runs everything by this point is off on his boat with his son, who will take over all this and get richer and richer without having to work a day in his life.

Western society since WW2. And you keep voting this guy back in.

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Re: Happy BoJo Day!

Post by nikkiboy » Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:20 pm

Sorry I stopped reading after the first sentence, can someone tell me if it's worth reading it all?
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nikkiboy wrote:Sorry I stopped reading after the first sentence, can someone tell me if it's worth reading it all?
Absolutely not.

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Post by oche balboa » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:59 pm

NvH wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:30 pm
Black Velvet wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:33 pm
Can't get my head around someone looking at Trump and how he's running America and thinking "fuck, better get me one of those!

Insular, racist dweebs in the most part.
There is a huge difference between BoJo and Trump. As a former subscriber of The Spectator it's clear that BoJo is very well educated, very well read and (although I hate to use this word), an intellectual with a classical education. Trump is none of those things. Same goes for Corbyn and that Lib Den leader who lost her own constituency (such a non-entity I forget her name).

Trump isn't stupid, Billionaire and became President of the USA. Corbyn is just a protester who hates Jews/Israel. Swinson (Thats her name lol) doesnt know which way to turn and was blinded in stopping brexit.


BoJo might sound daft at times because of the way he fumbles his words, but there are quite a few of us who write a lot better than we speak ;) I wouldn't assume that people voted Johnson because they wanted a British Trump. I voted Conservative because their policies are better for the middle-class, the economy and foreign policy. They've basically stolen a march on Labour with their end to austerity measures, as that was one thing the Cameron govt. certainly got wrong (although someone needs to do something about the national debt at some point).

Boris is well liked by the common man and Woman, People at my workplace are positive about Boris and i truly believe Tories biggest problem is who replaces him.

As much as some people may hate America, if we lose their alliance it puts us in a very precarious position. Corbyn would piss off all of our allies.

Corbyn would have been dangerous, He hates Nato more and would have been hellbent in stopping funding for that, would have treated Trump and the next US President (Aside from Bernie lol) with distain. People said that Obama disliked Britain, He didnt but was lukewarm towards us

I'm a Remainer, but I expect a lot of British people believe in democracy and that the choice of the people should be respected. Corbyn is no more pro-EU than most Conservatives (albeit for different reasons) and did little to help the Remain vote. As for Lib Dems, they would have wanted a second referendum and perhaps STILL not respected the vote if it didn't go the way they wanted!

Sir Keir framed Labour's brexit position and in fairness to Corbyn he was unconformable with it thoughout the election, He wants OUT and deep down is happy its happening, Swinson couldnt have gone for the 2nd ref as she was in the Scottish Constituency & massive pressure would have been on her to campaign for another independence vote

It was actually one of the easiest choices I've ever had to make. Even if you were only on the minimum wage, your take home pay would be slightly more under Conservatives than Labour or the Lib Dems (*chuckle*). And Corbyn's attacks on the "super-rich" often came across as attacks on the middle-class. £150,000 threshold for inheritance tax? What's the average house price? Are you super-rich if you live in a home worth £300k?

Me too, I wanted Brexit done... simple as that, I'm not a massive Tory Supporter

With all that in mind, I had absolutely no reason to vote for anyone but the Conservatives.
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Re: Happy BoJo Day!

Post by oche balboa » Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:00 pm

Rout wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:25 pm
Ill try using your own method of multi paragraphing MT.

Lets imagine you, me and 98 other people decided to form our own country on some remote island. We move there with varying degrees of wealth. The richest has £100k and the poorest has £1k. We take with us around 1m altogether. For arguments sake lets say there was already a basic infastructure like sanitation, roads, buildings etc . . .

We hold some initial elections and of the middlers gets voted as president and a few others into other positions such as treasury and so forth. Everyone finds their own place, we have a bank, retail, a teacher, services, police, a doctor, trades and so forth. We decide that those in low incomes pay 25% tax and then an increasing scale, 40% for middle incomers, 50% for very high earners and 70% for the seriously high earners, something like that. We use the tax to ensure everyone gets free health care from the doctor and to invest in public services like buses around the island and we pay the likes of the doctor, the police and the teacher out of this pot. There is also provision for people who suffer illlness, injury or simply are struggling to find a place for themselves. Theres a newspaper and even our own TV channel

Things run pretty smoothly for the first few decades or so, to the point where every few years around half dozen more people arrive on the island wanting to settle. Turns out, we actually need more hands on deck as we find ourselves lacking in some areas so these are generally an asset to our island. Some people are really wealthy and have big houses and some are poor and have small houses. But the one or two people that are really wealthy (the bank manager for example) feel its unfair that they pay 75% tax but yet they have their own private doctor, teacher, security and so forth so don't see why they should pay more than the rest for services they don't use. But when they suggest this at the meetings of the council, these one or two people are in the minority so get voted down. The guy in charge is worried he might not get re-elected at the next election and these one or two give him some of their money to help him campaign for reelection. It works, but the guys that funded his campaign now lean on him to influence the changes they want and long story short, this leads to tax cuts for the top earners from 75% down to what everyone else pays. Suddenly, there isn't enough money to pay for all the stuff that taxes pay for. So they start borrowing from away from the island and get in debt to make ends meet. The wealthy start influencing the guys in charge with their money that the way to balance the books is to start privatising their infastructure, so that tax money isn't needed to run services. So the one or two with tons of money buy the services off the island and start running them. Then, prices start to increase massively for day to day things. The middle and lower earners start to find they have less and less money than before even though they are working longer hours than ever before. The one or two buy the newspaper and the TV channel too.

This pattern continues and before long, most of the people on the island work directly, or indirectly, for the one or two. People start to get a bit miffed about the way things are and the newspaper and TV channel tell them every single day that the reason there is less money around is because of all the new people that keep coming to the island. They are told that its also those at the bottom of the ladder that are to blame. They aren't working enough, they take more than they give and those that are too ill to work are the ones to blame. Another election arrives and people are angry about how much crapper their lives are than they used to be and want change. One of the people up for election tells everyone its because the one or two at the top now have over half the islands entire money stashed away and its growing every day. So the richest guy decides to run for election himself. He spends bucket loads more than the other guy on campaigning. He has a monopoly on the newspaper and TV channel and spends 24 hours a day telling the island that the other guy up for election wants to take all your money and give it to scroungers. He wants to invite more people onto the island and this will take up all your tax money too. He even wants to let everyone out of the island jail. He says he will tax you less, meaning youll have more money. The rich guy wins the election and slashes taxes. For people at the bottom this saves them pennies on their income, but he benefits hugely from his own tax cuts. He continues to sell the islands assets to himself so that he can profit off them. He continues to underfund the doctor, the police, the teacher and other services to the point where they simply can't look after everyone anymore. The guy with all the money is completely unaffected by this. They also start voting in laws and loopholes, which most people don't even notice, that allow themselves to pay hardly any tax at all. So by now the poor are still paying their 25% and the richest are paying a single figure % even though they have so much more. The gap between top and bottom has gone from 100k/1k to more like 2m/0.

The rich guy, who by now owns the entire finance system, starts lending public money to people who are struggling and cant afford to make ends meet (as everything now costs miles more than it used to and they don't get paid anymore than they used to). These people can't pay it back and the bank gets in more and more debt and trouble to the point where it collapses. They rich guy in charge convinces everyone using the media he owns that the only way out of it is to borrow more money from elsewhere to bail the bank out otherwise society will collapse. This is done without any vote or say so from the people of the island. People lose their homes and jobs in big numbers as a result.

Anytime anyone suggests going back to how things were, with those that can afford it paying a greater share to the society, is shot down and told they are a commie or a socialist and that they want to help scroungers and fund crime. The island is now totally divided and squabbling like hell with each other, while the rich guy who runs everything by this point is off on his boat with his son, who will take over all this and get richer and richer without having to work a day in his life.

Western society since WW2. And you keep voting this guy back in.
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Re: Happy BoJo Day!

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Rout wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:25 pm
Ill try using your own method of multi paragraphing MT.

Lets imagine you, me and 98 other people decided to form our own country on some remote island. We move there with varying degrees of wealth. The richest has £100k and the poorest has £1k. We take with us around 1m altogether. For arguments sake lets say there was already a basic infastructure like sanitation, roads, buildings etc . . .

We hold some initial elections and of the middlers gets voted as president and a few others into other positions such as treasury and so forth. Everyone finds their own place, we have a bank, retail, a teacher, services, police, a doctor, trades and so forth. We decide that those in low incomes pay 25% tax and then an increasing scale, 40% for middle incomers, 50% for very high earners and 70% for the seriously high earners, something like that. We use the tax to ensure everyone gets free health care from the doctor and to invest in public services like buses around the island and we pay the likes of the doctor, the police and the teacher out of this pot. There is also provision for people who suffer illlness, injury or simply are struggling to find a place for themselves. Theres a newspaper and even our own TV channel

Things run pretty smoothly for the first few decades or so, to the point where every few years around half dozen more people arrive on the island wanting to settle. Turns out, we actually need more hands on deck as we find ourselves lacking in some areas so these are generally an asset to our island. Some people are really wealthy and have big houses and some are poor and have small houses. But the one or two people that are really wealthy (the bank manager for example) feel its unfair that they pay 75% tax but yet they have their own private doctor, teacher, security and so forth so don't see why they should pay more than the rest for services they don't use. But when they suggest this at the meetings of the council, these one or two people are in the minority so get voted down. The guy in charge is worried he might not get re-elected at the next election and these one or two give him some of their money to help him campaign for reelection. It works, but the guys that funded his campaign now lean on him to influence the changes they want and long story short, this leads to tax cuts for the top earners from 75% down to what everyone else pays. Suddenly, there isn't enough money to pay for all the stuff that taxes pay for. So they start borrowing from away from the island and get in debt to make ends meet. The wealthy start influencing the guys in charge with their money that the way to balance the books is to start privatising their infastructure, so that tax money isn't needed to run services. So the one or two with tons of money buy the services off the island and start running them. Then, prices start to increase massively for day to day things. The middle and lower earners start to find they have less and less money than before even though they are working longer hours than ever before. The one or two buy the newspaper and the TV channel too.

This pattern continues and before long, most of the people on the island work directly, or indirectly, for the one or two. People start to get a bit miffed about the way things are and the newspaper and TV channel tell them every single day that the reason there is less money around is because of all the new people that keep coming to the island. They are told that its also those at the bottom of the ladder that are to blame. They aren't working enough, they take more than they give and those that are too ill to work are the ones to blame. Another election arrives and people are angry about how much crapper their lives are than they used to be and want change. One of the people up for election tells everyone its because the one or two at the top now have over half the islands entire money stashed away and its growing every day. So the richest guy decides to run for election himself. He spends bucket loads more than the other guy on campaigning. He has a monopoly on the newspaper and TV channel and spends 24 hours a day telling the island that the other guy up for election wants to take all your money and give it to scroungers. He wants to invite more people onto the island and this will take up all your tax money too. He even wants to let everyone out of the island jail. He says he will tax you less, meaning youll have more money. The rich guy wins the election and slashes taxes. For people at the bottom this saves them pennies on their income, but he benefits hugely from his own tax cuts. He continues to sell the islands assets to himself so that he can profit off them. He continues to underfund the doctor, the police, the teacher and other services to the point where they simply can't look after everyone anymore. The guy with all the money is completely unaffected by this. They also start voting in laws and loopholes, which most people don't even notice, that allow themselves to pay hardly any tax at all. So by now the poor are still paying their 25% and the richest are paying a single figure % even though they have so much more. The gap between top and bottom has gone from 100k/1k to more like 2m/0.

The rich guy, who by now owns the entire finance system, starts lending public money to people who are struggling and cant afford to make ends meet (as everything now costs miles more than it used to and they don't get paid anymore than they used to). These people can't pay it back and the bank gets in more and more debt and trouble to the point where it collapses. They rich guy in charge convinces everyone using the media he owns that the only way out of it is to borrow more money from elsewhere to bail the bank out otherwise society will collapse. This is done without any vote or say so from the people of the island. People lose their homes and jobs in big numbers as a result.

Anytime anyone suggests going back to how things were, with those that can afford it paying a greater share to the society, is shot down and told they are a commie or a socialist and that they want to help scroungers and fund crime. The island is now totally divided and squabbling like hell with each other, while the rich guy who runs everything by this point is off on his boat with his son, who will take over all this and get richer and richer without having to work a day in his life.

Western society since WW2. And you keep voting this guy back in.
I only just saw this post. I'm a little tired so my response may be a tad disjointed. Warning, this response may contain paragraphs. I know that makes people chuckle on darts forums, but it never does anywhere else. It's a debate. :grin:

The poorest members of society would not have been better off under Corbyn at all. He just resents the fact that while others have made a success of their lives outside of politics, politics is all he has. He has no practical skills at all, so I hope he's not coming to our island! It will be like Titanic where Diane Abbott holds on to his hand and lets him go, even though she's the fat cow who is sinking our rescue boat (I'm assuming we'll be travelling by sea for the sake of the environment and that the BDO are building our ship so it will sink).

Corbyn was going after the middle class, which is a REALLY bad idea after Blair had won many of them to the Labour cause. Like I said before, the people who want to heavily tax people who earn relatively well (but are far from being super rich) are basically shutting the door behind them. So the London elite have their fancy homes and cars but don't want the rest of us to aspire to such things. Celebrities are all for this too - I wonder why?! Of course, they're behind the locked door. So when Eddie Izzard or Steve Coogan lecture us about politics, I personally take it with a pinch of salt.

I do find it sad how nasty and divided our society has become. And while it's true that the Conservatives were often known as the "nasty party", the Jeremy Corbyn rallies genuinely made me shudder when I saw them on the news or YouTube. It's definitely not a place for Jews! They kept screaming stuff about Palestine (not realising what Palestine actually means, I think), in the faces of Jewish Labour voters who were peacefully protesting about never voting Corbyn in. So both sides are using bully boy tactics to put their point across.

If we move to our island, and we tax people's income at anything above 50%, people will simply move to a country where they aren't taxed so badly. So while your idea in theory is nice, in reality it's a free world and people will go where the money is (or rather, where they don't steal your money). I'm not for a minute suggesting I'd like us to turn into an island version of Switzerland (although some of the Nazi gold could come in handy if we can only find it), I just think you have to be reasonable when setting higher income tax rates. You need to find the point on the graph (whether it be 45-60%) where you bring in the most income yet still have people rich enough to pay those rates staying on your island.

You do realise that from 1945-1979 our system didn't really change, right? From Attlee to Callaghan, (even under Conservative govt's like Ted Heath) we kept our socialist ways and we were so broke in the 1970s that we needed a bailout from the IMF as if we were fekkin Greece!

Do you ever wonder how Thatcher got in? One look at life in Britain in the 1970s should tell you. Plenty of life-long socialists voted for her the second time after seeing Michael Foot's manifesto. And they liked that they could aspire to own their home, have a car, colour TV, video recorder, microwave, dishwasher, fridge-freezer, own all kinds of things that would have been only a dream under socialist Britain. Aspiration was seen as a good thing, and still is in my opinion.

Billionaires have such little impact on my life, the same as some kid in Africa. They're at opposite ends of the scale, but neither one affects me in the slightest. I'm neither rich nor poor, so of course I care about the taxes and NI contributions I have to make, and I believe they are fair under all the main parties (even fairer under the Greens to the point where I don't believe them. How can you make us financially better off AND not believe in economic growth because it won't help slow down/stop climate change?).

I'll post the evidence here. The average salary for a full-time worker in the UK is £35,000 a year or so. I'll be generous and test a gross annual income of £25k (which isn't particularly high, it was what my father earned back in the mid-late 80s and we were not rich).

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One final thing, even though I'm right of centre, I'm no UKIPPER, EDL or NDL supporter and never will be. I'd like to think my decisions are based on the facts at hand, most of which I get from centrist media like the BBC. But even though I don't consider myself to be racist (and neither does anyone I know), I don't think it unreasonable that in a democracy we should have a say in the control of our borders. So I am for immigration, if these people have the skills we are lacking. If they don't (some immigrants are illiterate in their own language, let alone English), then why do we need them? I ask this question with my brain, not my heart or gut, or whatever useless way some people make their decisions in life.
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Re: Happy BoJo Day!

Post by NvH » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:33 am

So effectively, Thatcher won votes from Labour because people wanted more from their lives (and were fed up with trade unions holding the country to ransom with their strikes). She owned the middle ground, although working class people would generally not vote for her because of her treatment of the unions (which my family rather enjoyed, but each to their own). But I knew plenty of people who were upwardly mobile because of her, instead of just working for a builder, they started their own business, etc. Again, I did not grow up in a rich neighbourhood.

And Boris has thrashed Corbyn because the working class could trust him over Brexit. He won constituencies that the Tories have NEVER won. That should alarm you if you see any future for the Labour party with the Corbynistas in charge.

Third (and finally, honest!), is it such a surprise that constituencies that have been Labour for 60-90 years want change? They were poor so voted Labour. And umm they're still poor now despite voting Labour every single time (in national, local and European elections). Hmmm I wonder if there's a pattern emerging there?

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Re: Happy BoJo Day!

Post by NvH » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:17 pm

Paddy McGinty wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:52 am
You can see now why it pays to keep the masses uneducated.........
This is probably the first general election where the people from shithole towns have voted Conservative. As they want to leave the EU and only the Conservatives would respect the vote (I voted remain but democracy is important to me. It's just one of many reasons that Western Civilization is not just different from Middle Eastern and African civilization but better).

I suppose you also called them uneducated when they kept voting Labour despite their poor towns and cities not getting any wealthier? Of course not.

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