Munsterland Open

[Welshwizard79]

Hankey struggling for results back with the bdo family.

[Booji Boy]

Deta wins with an 82 average. great player

[Booji Boy]

She should have one last go at the pro tour should deta.

[Booji Boy]

Hankey struggling for results back with the bdo family.

Hes just good enough any more.

[Bag Carrier]

She should have one last go at the pro tour should deta.

Maybe missed the boat in my opinion like someone else I tried to get to go.

BUT all is not lost form what I have been told. Could be interesting come November/December time. If things progress needs ALL women to back thinga that happen

[Booji Boy]

She should have one last go at the pro tour should deta.

Maybe missed the boat in my opinion like someone else I tried to get to go.

BUT all is not lost form what I have been told. Could be interesting come November/December time. If things progress needs ALL women to back thinga that happen

Is that something the pdc are thinking about tony?

I think Deta and Ana and a few others could easy pick up a few quid on the challenge tour and the odd win on the main tour.

[foggs3355]

Lorraine Winstanley-UK 3 vs 6 . Deta Hedman-UK

[Zeyes]

Is that something the pdc are thinking about tony?

I think Deta and Ana and a few others could easy pick up a few quid on the challenge tour and the odd win on the main tour.

But why would they switch? They're already playing in tournaments whose prize funds are often heavily subsidized.

[foggs3355]

mens and woman's prize money

1. Place 1300 Euro 1x
2. Place 600 Euro 1x
3. Place 300 Euro 2x
5. Place 120 Euro 4x
9. Place 60 Euro 8x
17. Place 30 Euro 16x
total 4640 Euro

1. Place 600 Euro 1x
2. Place 250 Euro 1x
3. Place 120 Euro 2x
5. Place 60 Euro 4x
9. Place 30 Euro 8x
total 1570 Euro

[foggs3355]

mens final Jeffrey De Zwaan-NED 3 vs 8 Rick Hofstra-NED

[WCDPA]

Is that something the pdc are thinking about tony?

I think Deta and Ana and a few others could easy pick up a few quid on the challenge tour and the odd win on the main tour.

But why would they switch? They're already playing in tournaments whose prize funds are often heavily subsidized.

Zeyes what is entry fee for ally pally ? Is that subsidized? Is a pc weekend subsidized?
Get over your digs at anything this side of the fence ! Deta didn't go to Germany for the money! More maybe to prove a point, 16 ranking titles world cup and winmau winner .

[Zeyes]

Is a pc weekend subsidized?

Of course it is, and that was exactly my point, which you apparently failed to see through all that froth... Let's try it again with less subtlety: After the less than stellar exploits by Deta and Ana in the past, why would any women switch to the PDC now when they already have one of the best aspects of the PDC system (prize funds >>> total entry fees) right here under the WDF/BDO umbrella and they don't even need to play the men to get at it?

Nothing short of a dedicated PDC women's tour ought to do it, something I'd consider a pretty nutty idea, but then again it would require a relatively small cash outlay for the PDC, and hold the potential to wreak a lot of havoc on the WDF/BDO side. (Might be worth it for that alone.) And I'd probably enjoy seeing them try to run a women's tour - as a social experiment, if nothing else. What are the odds that the participation numbers for a women's circuit done exactly like the Youth Tour (£25 entry fee, £5k prize money) would fall short of the youth?

On the upside, I guess that would allow the PDC to pair up the Challenge Tour with the Pro Tour, and the Youth Tour with a women's tour. I can already imagine the complaints about the women being relegated to third-tier equivalent status, though...

[WCDPA]

Is a pc weekend subsidized?

Of course it is, and that was exactly my point, which you apparently failed to see through all that froth... Let's try it again with less subtlety: After the less than stellar exploits by Deta and Ana in the past, why would any women switch to the PDC now when they already have one of the best aspects of the PDC system (prize funds >>> total entry fees) right here under the WDF/BDO umbrella and they don't even need to play the men to get at it?

Nothing short of a dedicated PDC women's tour ought to do it, something I'd consider a pretty nutty idea, but then again it would require a relatively small cash outlay for the PDC, and hold the potential to wreak a lot of havoc on the WDF/BDO side. (Might be worth it for that alone.) And I'd probably enjoy seeing them try to run a women's tour - as a social experiment, if nothing else. What are the odds that the participation numbers for a women's circuit done exactly like the Youth Tour (£25 entry fee, £5k prize money) would fall short of the youth?

On the upside, I guess that would allow the PDC to pair up the Challenge Tour with the Pro Tour,
and the Youth Tour with a women's tour. I can already imagine the complaints about the women being relegated to third-tier equivalent status, though...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

[Ginge]

And people said Gaz ruined the forum, great reply to a decent post there Paul(!)

[avalon]

Is that something the pdc are thinking about tony?

I think Deta and Ana and a few others could easy pick up a few quid on the challenge tour and the odd win on the main tour.

But why would they switch? They're already playing in tournaments whose prize funds are often heavily subsidized.

Subsidised maybe, heavily subsidised no.

You are basing your comment purely on entry money, but many venues, especially in the UK you have to be resident this helps either keeping the cost of the venue down or with additional prize funds. The women pay the same as the men for their accommodation, the same price as the men for food and drink. If you were to stop having a women`s event because it is `heavily` subsidised then just watch the men`s prize money fall, not grow. There are many people who travel with their wives or daughters or girlfriends etc. They also use accommodation and drink and eat.

I know first hand of one organisation who used to have a separate ladies ranking, about once a month there would be up to 150 men and around 20 women. They decided the women`s wasn`t worth it so they stopped it and now they get around 50 men. It started off with fewer men because their wives or whoever weren`t going to play so they didn`t go either, because they weren`t going their mates didn`t go as they used to travel in one car or just saw it as a day with their mates playing darts. Because the number of men dropped the prize money had to go down, because the prize money went down even fewer men entered and so the vicious circle went on.

[ChrisW]

Sunday - Day 2

Last 64

Matthew Medhurst-NED - Hendrik Dane-GER
Ricky Williams-UK - Mulholland/Webers
Scott Mitchell-UK 3:0 Michael Tetkovic-AUS
Harry Barth-GER 0:3 Kevin Münch-GER
Gary Robson-UK 3:1 Benjamin Fasching-AUS
Ioannis Selachoglou-GER - Dominik Wigmann-GER
Maximilian Degenkolbe-GER - Robert Wagner-NOR
Wilco Vermeulen-NED - Rombuts/Merk
Geert De Vos-BEL - Willem Mandigers-NED
Pascal Sengstock-GER - Jimmy Hendriks-NED
Tony O Shea-UK - Martin Jongejan-NED
Bryan De Hoog-NED - Frank Gansen-GER
Michael Klönhammer-GER 3:0 Ralf Schippers-GER
Raymond Van Den Ende-NED - Jannis Schneider-GER
Rick Hofstra-NED - Stefan Post-NED
Rody Helsdingen-NED - Alexander Reiher-GER
Florian Menzel-GER - Frank Schasfoort-NED
Jens Kevin Guroll-GER - Matthias Geier-GER
Jack Morris-UK 3:0 Michael Kroll-GER
Philip Blackwell-UK - Thomas Obstfelder-GER
Ufuk Uzuner-GER - Uwe Bügler-GER
Carl Dennel-UK - Kevin Antz-GER
Darryl Fitton-UK - Raymond Hoeveberg-NED
Steven Markowiak-GER - Michael Nett-GER
Jamie Hughes-UK 3:0 Sven Gut-SWI
Jens Ziegler-GER - Thomas Walther-GER
Vladimir Andersen-DAN - Co Stompé-NED
Torben Nagel-GER - Ted Hankey-UK
Alan Norris-UK - Roxy-James Rodriguez-AUS
Stephan Herold-GER - Hughes/Grebe
Jan Dekker-NED - Stefaan Deprez-BEL
Aj Urmston-Toft-UK - Stafford/Zygla

[ChrisW]

Wesley Harms out again in the last 128 same as yesterday.

[ChrisW]

Last 32

Heike Jenkins-GER 3:0 Katrin Kroll-GER
Paula Jacklin-UK 2:3 Anastasia Dobromyslova-RUS
Anne-Marie Scherer-GER 3:1 Sue Gulliver-UK
Sabrina Spörle-GER 0:3 Sharon Prins-NED
Lorraine Winstanley-UK 3:2 Charona De Laat-NED
Tove Lauridsen-DAN - Ann-Kathrin Wigmann Wiegmann-GER
Irina Armstrong-GER 3:0 Daniela Reinecke-GER
Rebecca Rose-UK - Steffi Lück-GER
Michelle Sossong-GER 0:3 Els Verpoorten-BEL
Katharina Vonrufs-SWI - Trina Gulliver-UK
Stefanie Zwitkowitsch-GER 1:3 Lisa Ashton-UK
Danielle Ijpelaar-NED - Zoe Jones-UK
Anneke Kuijten-NED 3:2 Josiee Paterson-UK
Kathy Geeraerts-BEL - Anja Vonscheidt-GER
Deta Hedman-UK 3:0 Andrea Beushausen-GER
Tanja Stadelmann-GER - Anne Willkomm-GER

[ChrisW]

Last 32:
Fitton came back from 3-0 down to win 4-3

Matthew Medhurst-NED - Mark Mulholland-GER
Scott Mitchell-UK 4:2 Kevin Münch-GER
Gary Robson-UK 4:1 Dominik Wigmann-GER
Robert Wagner-NOR - Wilco Vermeulen-NED
Willem Mandigers-NED - Jimmy Hendriks-NED
Tony O Shea-UK - Frank Gansen-GER
Michael Klönhammer-GER 2:4 Raymond Van Den Ende-NED
Rick Hofstra-NED - Rody Helsdingen-NED
Frank Schasfoort-NED 1:4 Matthias Geier-GER
Jack Morris-UK 0:4 Philip Blackwell-UK
Ufuk Uzuner-GER - Kevin Antz-GER
Darryl Fitton-UK 4:3 Steven Markowiak-GER
Jamie Hughes-UK 4:0 Jens Ziegler-GER
Vladimir Andersen-DAN 4:2 Ted Hankey-UK
Alan Norris-UK 4:2 Robert Hughes-UK
Jan Dekker-NED - Gary Stafford-UK

Good to see Ufuk Uzuner going well

[ChrisW]

Irina Armstrong reverses the Last 16 result from yesterday with a 4-0 win over Steffi Luck

Last 16

Heike Jenkins-GER 2:4 Anastasia Dobromyslova-RUS
Anne-Marie Scherer-GER 0:4 Sharon Prins-NED
Lorraine Winstanley-UK 4:0 Ann-Kathrin Wigmann Wiegmann-GER
Irina Armstrong-GER 4:0 Steffi Luck-GER
Els Verpoorten-BEL 0:4 Trina Gulliver-UK
Lisa Ashton-UK 4:2 Zoe Jones-UK
Anneke Kuijten-NED 4:1 Anja Vonscheidt-GER
Deta Hedman-UK 4:1 Anne Willkomm-GER

Quarter-finals

Anastasia Dobromyslova-RUS - Sharon Prins-NED
Lorraine Winstanley-UK - Irina Armstrong-GER
Trina Gulliver-UK - Lisa Ashton-UK
Anneke Kuijten-NED - Deta Hedman-UK