BDO EGM and Delegates meeting
BDO EGM and Delegates meeting
Well looks like April 29th is decision day in BDO with vote of no confidence in the present regime , seems a shame not heard on April 1st where top players in our system could have had a say , I understand statements from players will be read out as they will be at BDO and Finders double header in Denmark , myself would like to be at meeting but I have paid flight and accomadation in Denmark , I hope delegates say at the meeting what they have been saying in private , each delegate should vote for what's best for their county and the benefit of the BDO .
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So any player can have a statement read out?WCDPA wrote:Well looks like April 29th is decision day in BDO with vote of no confidence in the present regime , seems a shame not heard on April 1st where top players in our system could have had a say , I understand statements from players will be read out as they will be at BDO and Finders double header in Denmark , myself would like to be at meeting but I have paid flight and accomadation in Denmark , I hope delegates say at the meeting what they have been saying in private , each delegate should vote for what's best for their county and the benefit of the BDO .
Could be a long day.
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Don't see why the top players need to have statements read out, the BDO is bigger than just the top players and the reps should be voting on behalf of ALL their county players and members.
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It's a tricky decision the running of BICC isn't really questioned , its the Enterprises side of the game in question , and this is where it gets confusing , at AGM it was said delegates don't have a vote in what happens in Enterprises , but can vote in or out directors who run Enterprises which is as secretive as the masons !Ginge wrote:Don't see why the top players need to have statements read out, the BDO is bigger than just the top players and the reps should be voting on behalf of ALL their county players and members.
So as it stands at present you vote in directors almost blind ! As the running of Enterprises enables the board to answer as little as they want under the NDA excuse .
Think it could well be a fiery meet .
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Technically yes , it's whether you are confident of your delegate voting as the majority of your members request , or will the old pals act come into play , I anticipate this being the longest meeting in history .ifm wrote:So any player can have a statement read out?WCDPA wrote:Well looks like April 29th is decision day in BDO with vote of no confidence in the present regime , seems a shame not heard on April 1st where top players in our system could have had a say , I understand statements from players will be read out as they will be at BDO and Finders double header in Denmark , myself would like to be at meeting but I have paid flight and accomadation in Denmark , I hope delegates say at the meeting what they have been saying in private , each delegate should vote for what's best for their county and the benefit of the BDO .
Could be a long day.
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So you are saying some players want to have a statement read out because they don't trust their delegates?WCDPA wrote:Technically yes , it's whether you are confident of your delegate voting as the majority of your members request , or will the old pals act come into play , I anticipate this being the longest meeting in history .ifm wrote:So any player can have a statement read out?WCDPA wrote:Well looks like April 29th is decision day in BDO with vote of no confidence in the present regime , seems a shame not heard on April 1st where top players in our system could have had a say , I understand statements from players will be read out as they will be at BDO and Finders double header in Denmark , myself would like to be at meeting but I have paid flight and accomadation in Denmark , I hope delegates say at the meeting what they have been saying in private , each delegate should vote for what's best for their county and the benefit of the BDO .
Could be a long day.
If that's the case they should do something about the delegate and stop whining.
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Paul just a thought : if you have already paid for flights and accommodation I guess you can't get your money back. So why not go to the meeting anyway? Unless you have paid for your meals as well.
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April 1st would have been the appropriate day for sure.
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devosteve wrote:Paul just a thought : if you have already paid for flights and accommodation I guess you can't get your money back. So why not go to the meeting anyway? Unless you have paid for your meals as well.
Unlike IFM who spouts off on all things BDO yet doesn't do anything constructive ! and he has the IFM 1001 reasons not to attend a meeting , I will probably be at the meeting and lose my hard earned money on flights etc .
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100% agree see you thereifm wrote:So you are saying some players want to have a statement read out because they don't trust their delegates?WCDPA wrote:Technically yes , it's whether you are confident of your delegate voting as the majority of your members request , or will the old pals act come into play , I anticipate this being the longest meeting in history .ifm wrote:So any player can have a statement read out?WCDPA wrote:Well looks like April 29th is decision day in BDO with vote of no confidence in the present regime , seems a shame not heard on April 1st where top players in our system could have had a say , I understand statements from players will be read out as they will be at BDO and Finders double header in Denmark , myself would like to be at meeting but I have paid flight and accomadation in Denmark , I hope delegates say at the meeting what they have been saying in private , each delegate should vote for what's best for their county and the benefit of the BDO .
Could be a long day.
If that's the case they should do something about the delegate and stop whining.
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The set up of enterprises needs to be altered to reflect this, as the owners of enterprises the owners of the bdo should be fully aware of all financial details at least.WCDPA wrote:It's a tricky decision the running of BICC isn't really questioned , its the Enterprises side of the game in question , and this is where it gets confusing , at AGM it was said delegates don't have a vote in what happens in Enterprises , but can vote in or out directors who run Enterprises which is as secretive as the masons !Ginge wrote:Don't see why the top players need to have statements read out, the BDO is bigger than just the top players and the reps should be voting on behalf of ALL their county players and members.
So as it stands at present you vote in directors almost blind ! As the running of Enterprises enables the board to answer as little as they want under the NDA excuse .
Think it could well be a fiery meet .
21st April 2016 7:01amGinge wrote:the cancer has been cut from the BDO
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Toatally agree Nikki and anybody who promises this gets my vote .nikkiboy wrote:The set up of enterprises needs to be altered to reflect this, as the owners of enterprises the owners of the bdo should be fully aware of all financial details at least.WCDPA wrote:It's a tricky decision the running of BICC isn't really questioned , its the Enterprises side of the game in question , and this is where it gets confusing , at AGM it was said delegates don't have a vote in what happens in Enterprises , but can vote in or out directors who run Enterprises which is as secretive as the masons !Ginge wrote:Don't see why the top players need to have statements read out, the BDO is bigger than just the top players and the reps should be voting on behalf of ALL their county players and members.
So as it stands at present you vote in directors almost blind ! As the running of Enterprises enables the board to answer as little as they want under the NDA excuse .
Think it could well be a fiery meet .
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Tricky though taking into account potential confidential sponsorship deals. If all the members saw all the accounts then obviously that's basically putting it in the public domain. Which is not good for potential sponsors and for future negotiations.WCDPA wrote:Toatally agree Nikki and anybody who promises this gets my vote .nikkiboy wrote:The set up of enterprises needs to be altered to reflect this, as the owners of enterprises the owners of the bdo should be fully aware of all financial details at least.WCDPA wrote:It's a tricky decision the running of BICC isn't really questioned , its the Enterprises side of the game in question , and this is where it gets confusing , at AGM it was said delegates don't have a vote in what happens in Enterprises , but can vote in or out directors who run Enterprises which is as secretive as the masons !Ginge wrote:Don't see why the top players need to have statements read out, the BDO is bigger than just the top players and the reps should be voting on behalf of ALL their county players and members.
So as it stands at present you vote in directors almost blind ! As the running of Enterprises enables the board to answer as little as they want under the NDA excuse .
Think it could well be a fiery meet .
But of course hiding behind this to give the Members no details at all is not good either.
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No reason not to know who we have deals with , how long they are for etc and without knowing the amounts what % each party gets , more importantly is who we have deals with .....would love to know details of deal we had with Queensbury no doubt that is subject to an NDA , and I wonder what it cost to get out of .Skewball wrote:Tricky though taking into account potential confidential sponsorship deals. If all the members saw all the accounts then obviously that's basically putting it in the public domain. Which is not good for potential sponsors and for future negotiations.WCDPA wrote:Toatally agree Nikki and anybody who promises this gets my vote .nikkiboy wrote:The set up of enterprises needs to be altered to reflect this, as the owners of enterprises the owners of the bdo should be fully aware of all financial details at least.WCDPA wrote:It's a tricky decision the running of BICC isn't really questioned , its the Enterprises side of the game in question , and this is where it gets confusing , at AGM it was said delegates don't have a vote in what happens in Enterprises , but can vote in or out directors who run Enterprises which is as secretive as the masons !Ginge wrote:Don't see why the top players need to have statements read out, the BDO is bigger than just the top players and the reps should be voting on behalf of ALL their county players and members.
So as it stands at present you vote in directors almost blind ! As the running of Enterprises enables the board to answer as little as they want under the NDA excuse .
Think it could well be a fiery meet .
But of course hiding behind this to give the Members no details at all is not good either.
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TBH your not going to know part without knowing all, its all or nothing.WCDPA wrote:No reason not to know who we have deals with , how long they are for etc and without knowing the amounts what % each party gets , more importantly is who we have deals with .....would love to know details of deal we had with Queensbury no doubt that is subject to an NDA , and I wonder what it cost to get out of .Skewball wrote:Tricky though taking into account potential confidential sponsorship deals. If all the members saw all the accounts then obviously that's basically putting it in the public domain. Which is not good for potential sponsors and for future negotiations.WCDPA wrote:Toatally agree Nikki and anybody who promises this gets my vote .nikkiboy wrote:The set up of enterprises needs to be altered to reflect this, as the owners of enterprises the owners of the bdo should be fully aware of all financial details at least.WCDPA wrote:
It's a tricky decision the running of BICC isn't really questioned , its the Enterprises side of the game in question , and this is where it gets confusing , at AGM it was said delegates don't have a vote in what happens in Enterprises , but can vote in or out directors who run Enterprises which is as secretive as the masons !
So as it stands at present you vote in directors almost blind ! As the running of Enterprises enables the board to answer as little as they want under the NDA excuse .
Think it could well be a fiery meet .
But of course hiding behind this to give the Members no details at all is not good either.
I can see why they set Enterprises up, sponsorship is completely different from sponsor to sponsor company to company, the NDAs are so everyone cant find out what each other is getting and compare.
and its going to be hard to change that in the BDO, you make it so Enterprises has to be open you could lose out on sponsors that dont want to be open with people.
The problem has (and always will be) is that you have delegates voting for something that doesn't really matter to them (or interest them in the case of some). Never going to happen but if your going to carry on with trying to run a top game you need to really split the BDO in 2.....Enterprises with a fully voted board and members that are accountable to their own meetings and then the BICC for the counties
Or (and this would be much easier) move the counties to the EDO and their respected counties and have the BDO just running opens and majors.
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You don't need to divulge the minute details or anything senitive but imo the BDO counties who own enterprises should have a breakdown of how the company is performing and not be stonewalled with solicitor's letters when they request information on the company THEY OWN.Skewball wrote:Tricky though taking into account potential confidential sponsorship deals. If all the members saw all the accounts then obviously that's basically putting it in the public domain. Which is not good for potential sponsors and for future negotiations.WCDPA wrote:Toatally agree Nikki and anybody who promises this gets my vote .nikkiboy wrote:The set up of enterprises needs to be altered to reflect this, as the owners of enterprises the owners of the bdo should be fully aware of all financial details at least.WCDPA wrote:It's a tricky decision the running of BICC isn't really questioned , its the Enterprises side of the game in question , and this is where it gets confusing , at AGM it was said delegates don't have a vote in what happens in Enterprises , but can vote in or out directors who run Enterprises which is as secretive as the masons !Ginge wrote:Don't see why the top players need to have statements read out, the BDO is bigger than just the top players and the reps should be voting on behalf of ALL their county players and members.
So as it stands at present you vote in directors almost blind ! As the running of Enterprises enables the board to answer as little as they want under the NDA excuse .
Think it could well be a fiery meet .
But of course hiding behind this to give the Members no details at all is not good either.
21st April 2016 7:01amGinge wrote:the cancer has been cut from the BDO
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nikkiboy wrote:You don't need to divulge the minute details or anything senitive but imo the BDO counties who own enterprises should have a breakdown of how the company is performing and not be stonewalled with solicitor's letters when they request information on the company THEY OWN.Skewball wrote:Tricky though taking into account potential confidential sponsorship deals. If all the members saw all the accounts then obviously that's basically putting it in the public domain. Which is not good for potential sponsors and for future negotiations.WCDPA wrote:Toatally agree Nikki and anybody who promises this gets my vote .nikkiboy wrote:The set up of enterprises needs to be altered to reflect this, as the owners of enterprises the owners of the bdo should be fully aware of all financial details at least.WCDPA wrote:
It's a tricky decision the running of BICC isn't really questioned , its the Enterprises side of the game in question , and this is where it gets confusing , at AGM it was said delegates don't have a vote in what happens in Enterprises , but can vote in or out directors who run Enterprises which is as secretive as the masons !
So as it stands at present you vote in directors almost blind ! As the running of Enterprises enables the board to answer as little as they want under the NDA excuse .
Think it could well be a fiery meet .
But of course hiding behind this to give the Members no details at all is not good either.
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I'd rather know how you get selected for England at darts a long time before I worried about the accounts and account keeping of a company that has been in existence for over 40 years which has obviously been trading successfully as it has over 1/2 million as a cash reserve ....WCDPA wrote:nikkiboy wrote: You don't need to divulge the minute details or anything senitive but imo the BDO counties who own enterprises should have a breakdown of how the company is performing and not be stonewalled with solicitor's letters when they request information on the company THEY OWN.
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Before I aimed criticism at a similar founded company in a similar field as my own I would make sure my own company had traded successfully so it met and fulfilled all of its contracted obligations. What good is claiming to be transparent if you are incompetent at fund raising and budget management ?
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imo a new broom at both orgs is required, instead of the old timers with there axes to grind plotting against each other trying to undermine each other in a futile point scoring exercise trying to settle old scores from years ago,
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Traded at a profit albeit small , despite having the most successful darts organisation there has ever been trading the majority of events in our back yard , also the governing body of darts also. Trading virtually all of their events in our country as well .el_ringo wrote:I'd rather know how you get selected for England at darts a long time before I worried about the accounts and account keeping of a company that has been in existence for over 40 years which has obviously been trading successfully as it has over 1/2 million as a cash reserve ....WCDPA wrote:nikkiboy wrote: You don't need to divulge the minute details or anything senitive but imo the BDO counties who own enterprises should have a breakdown of how the company is performing and not be stonewalled with solicitor's letters when they request information on the company THEY OWN.
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Before I aimed criticism at a similar founded company in a similar field as my own I would make sure my own company had traded successfully so it met and fulfilled all of its contracted obligations. What good is claiming to be transparent if you are incompetent at fund raising and budget management ?
As well as several other countries who have the same remit as ours we didn't go to Japan , the trip could have placed the company in financial difficulty so our directors as well as Directors from other countries didn't go .
Our AGM the accounts are shown in full and our directors can be opposed .
Personally think if change happens in BDO it will benefit the BDO and England .