Road To O2 Indigo At The o2 Arena (BDO Worlds 2020)

[el_ringo]

I have no problem with Widmayer he seems a nice chap. But even you have to agree he is nowhere near the best American player and is only qualifying because the points system is rubbish and needs to be changed.

I'd have a fair wager that Widmayer hasn't even ever been the best dart player on any airplane he's used to travel to the Lakeisde

I'm no fan of Paula Jacklin but as in terms of Ladies standard she is that bad a player. Has won 3 events back to back recently and it had Dobromyslova in the field for one of them. Time to stop this shite, Yes she should do better on TV but you could say the same for Jamie Caven, Ian White, Gary Robson etc

Oh come along be serious she must be at the point now where it's nigh on impossible to have a bet on her losing 2-0 at Lakeside

Widmayer & Her qualifying repeatedly for lakeside is all the proof that any sane organisation needs to tell it that its qualifying criteria for what is it premier top level event is totally flawed and that it needs urgent major attention. End of no argument !

[Addicks Fan]

I have no problem with Widmayer he seems a nice chap. But even you have to agree he is nowhere near the best American player and is only qualifying because the points system is rubbish and needs to be changed.

I'd have a fair wager that Widmayer hasn't even ever been the best dart player on any airplane he's used to travel to the Lakeisde

I'm no fan of Paula Jacklin but as in terms of Ladies standard she is that bad a player. Has won 3 events back to back recently and it had Dobromyslova in the field for one of them. Time to stop this shite, Yes she should do better on TV but you could say the same for Jamie Caven, Ian White, Gary Robson etc

Oh come along be serious she must be at the point now where it's nigh on impossible to have a bet on her losing 2-0 at Lakeside

Widmayer & Her qualifying repeatedly for lakeside is all the proof that any sane organisation needs to tell it that its qualifying criteria for what is it premier top level event is totally flawed and that it needs urgent major attention. End of no argument !

I don't know what Jim has done to take all this abuse, but if it makes you feel any better, he probably won't qualify for the BDO Worlds next year. Mind you, as he didn't qualify in 2016. 2017 or 2018, and has in fact only played in 3 BDO Worlds, I think the whole 'anyone but Jim' campaign is a load of old shite! Good luck to Leonard Gates, or maybe Joe Chaney, although actually I think Jim Widmayer would do better than Joe anyway. Gates is the best player in the States, and as it stands will play in 2020 at Lakeside or whichever 'exciting' venue Des has up his sleeve, and if someone else beats him to top spot in the USA ranking, or he qualifies for both and chooses the PDC, so be it. The World championships do not always have all the best players playing in it, but they should give as many players as possible around the world the chance to qualify. I don't see what the BDO does that is so wrong in this regard.

[oche balboa]

Yes the ladies Worlds & other majors should have double points then Cat A+

But they will qualify anyway so no dramas

[el_ringo]

I don't know what Jim has done to take all this abuse, but if it makes you feel any better, he probably won't qualify for the BDO Worlds next year. Mind you, as he didn't qualify in 2016. 2017 or 2018, and has in fact only played in 3 BDO Worlds, I think the whole 'anyone but Jim' campaign is a load of old shite!

Its more a case of what he has NEVER done and that is play to any decent watchable standard after numerous attempts

His record on 'the grandest stage of all' speaks for itself

73.95 United States Jim Widmayer (Q) 3 – 2 England Garry Thompson 72.99
91.60 England Stephen Bunting 3 - 1 United States Jim Widmayer 76.57
76.14 Jim Widmayer United States (Q) 3–2 England Rhys Hayden (Q) 71.28
81.54 Netherlands Rick Hofstra 1 - 3 United States Jim Widmayer 82.47
89.37 England Martin Adams 4 - 0 United States Jim Widmayer 78.51
86.27 Jim Widmayer United States 2–3 England Nigel Heydon (Q) 88.60

The fact that this pie slinger has won games tells you all you need to know about the declining quality of the fields and its watchability !

That Swedish guy , the putting gorilla, who has qualified a couple of times is just as bad and really if hey ever both made it and played each other then a new low will be reached in viewers and quality an don't get me started on Doggy Dawson !

The World championships do not always have all the best players playing in it, but they should give as many players as possible around the world the chance to qualify. I don't see what the BDO does that is so wrong in this regard.

The system is never going to change when its been beneficial and is beneficial to the Chairman's wife being able to qualify for Lakeside so its a dead discussion. But really noone is about an average county A standard should ever get near a place on what should be a display of the best talent available from the whole system.

[oche balboa]

A few changes to the tables due to some minor opens this weekend (John Scott into top 16)

1 Richard Veenstra (Netherlands) 272
2 Scott Mitchell (England) 254
3 Wesley Harms (Netherlands) 246
4 Adam Smith-Neale (England) 181
5 Dave Parletti (England) 179
6 Martijn Kleermaker (Netherlands) 150
7 Scott Waites (England) 149
8 = Jim Williams (Wales) 148
8 = Wayne Warren (Wales) 148
10 Chris Landman (Netherlands) 144
11 Gary Robson (England) 141
12 Mario Vandenbogaerde (Belgium) 140
13 Willem Mandigers (Netherlands) 130
14 John Scott (England) 122
15 Aaron Turner (England) 114
16 Nick Kenny (Wales) 106
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17 = Michael Unterbuchner (Germany) 104
17 = Wouter Vaes (Netherlands) 104
18 Tony Martin (England) 103
19 Craig Venman (England) 101
20 = Ross Montgomery (Scotland) 98
20 = Sebastian Steyer (Poland) 98
22 Ryan Hogarth (Scotland) 95
23 Derk Telnekes (Netherlands) 93
24 Jeffrey Sparidaans (Netherlands) 91
25 Francis Carragher (Republic of Ireland) 87
26 = Andy Hamilton (England) 83
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26 = Cody Harris (New Zealand) 83
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26 = Martin Adams (England) 83
29 Adam Mould (England) 82
30 Tony O'Shea (England) 81
31 Paul Brown (Northern Ireland) 80
32 David Cameron (Canada) 78
33 Gary Stone (Scotland) 75
34 Leonard Gates (USA) 73
35 = Joe Chaney (USA) 72
36 = Justin Thompson (Australia) 72
37 Darryl Fitton (England) 71
38 Thibault Tricole (France) 70
39 = Gary Stafford (England) 66
39 = Gino Vos (Netherlands) 66
41 Darren Clifford (Northern Ireland) 65
42 = Jeffrey van Egdom (Belgium) 62
42 = Paul Hogan (England) 62
44 Martin Phillips (Wales) 61
45 Jitse van der Wal (Netherlands) 60


Baltic & Scandinavian- Paavo Myller (Finland)
British Isles- Paul Hogan (England)
Canada- David Cameron (Canada)
Eastern Europe- Benjamin Pratnemer (Slovenia) (Sebastian Steyer in top 26)
New Zealand- Darren Herewini (New Zealand)
USA- Leonard Gates (USA)
Western Europe- Jeffrey van Egdom (Belgium)
Australia- Justin Thompson (Australia)
Asia- ????


No Change in the Ladies top 20

Ladies

1 Lisa Ashton (England) 345
2 Aileen de Graaf (Netherlands) 325
3 Deta Hedman (England) 283
4 Laura Turner (England) 260
5 Anastasia Dobromyslova (Russia) 239
6 Paula Jacklin (England) 229
7 Lorraine Winstanley (England) 223
8 Trina Gulliver MBE (England) 215
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9 Maria O'Brien (England) 210
10 Fallon Sherrock (England) 204
11 Kirsty Hutchinson (England) 194
12 Priscilla Steenbergen (Netherlands) 193
13 Jo Clements (England) 188
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14 Julie Thompson (England) 158
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15 Andreea Brad (Romania) 155
16 Casey Gallagher (England) 145
17 Margaret Sutton (England) 130
18 Mikuru Suzuki (Japan) 126
19 Corrine Hammond (Australia) 123
20 Sharon Prins (Netherlands) 94

[Dannyboy]

No offence to unob because he sounds a nice enough guy, but he should be nowhere near the top 16.

[Ginge]

He probably wont be when all is said and done.

[nikkiboy]

He probably wont be when all is said and done.

Don’t know their is hardly a plethora of talent who are going to do enough of the tour to make the top 16. Even Unterbuchber seems to have decided to not bother with seeding this year given his guaranteed place.

Plus he's just won an international open, surprising the amount of confidence that gives someone. He's just as likely to kick on as anyone else.

[oche balboa]

No offence to unob because he sounds a nice enough guy, but he should be nowhere near the top 16.

Not a great comment that. If he is in the top 16 he deserves to be.

[oche balboa]

He probably wont be when all is said and done.

Don’t know their is hardly a plethora of talent who are going to do enough of the tour to make the top 16. Even Unterbuchber seems to have decided to not bother with seeding this year given his guaranteed place.

There are some players (Scott, Martin etc) who are taking their chance and are within a massive chance of qualification. You go on about "hardly a plethora of talent" yet you go that everyone who does should go to the PDC, We are going to see players like John Scott at Lakeside because of this. Good luck to him but cut out the snobbish culture

[ssjsa]

He probably wont be when all is said and done.

Don’t know their is hardly a plethora of talent who are going to do enough of the tour to make the top 16. Even Unterbuchber seems to have decided to not bother with seeding this year given his guaranteed place.

There are some players (Scott, Martin etc) who are taking their chance and are within a massive chance of qualification. You go on about "hardly a plethora of talent" yet you go that everyone who does should go to the PDC, We are going to see players like John Scott at Lakeside because of this. Good luck to him but cut out the snobbish culture

Those that qualify will have done so on merit. It is easy to criticise the qualification criteria, but that is not the fault of the players.

Everyone knows what they need to do, and will plan their season accordingly.

Congratulations to forum member unob on his two victories at the weekend, and hope he continues his good form and gets to Lakeside, or wherever the BDO decide to hold their World Championship.

[The Jolly Man]

Here is your list of top North American’s.

https://leaderboard.dartconnect.com/lea ... tournament

[Addicks Fan]

He probably wont be when all is said and done.

Totally agree - he's giving it a good go, but his rolling ranking of equal 40th suggests he has some way to go before he's within touching distance of a BDO Worlds place. To be in a BDO Worlds place you have to average around 15 points for each of your 12 qualifying events. At the moment he is averaging 10. So, raise your results by about 50% and you'll get there!

[Addicks Fan]

So a chance for Oche to actually discuss the BDO.

Their can’t be more than around 60 players at most that do enough events of the BDO tour to fill the 12 boxes and out of these players their is certainly not a plethora of them who you would expect to pick up loads of points. Thus Unob has a good chance of at least making Lakeside and possibly even making the top 16 of he can have 2 or 3 good runs to say the quarters of the bigger ranked events.

Their are good players in the BDO still but many don’t do much traveling and they have lost 4 of their best from last year who did travel. Plus others like Unterbuchner as I said seem to have decided to cut down(anyone know if he’s entered Denmark?). Phillips has semi retired from darts etc. So please give me a good sized list of names of people not currently in the provisional top 16 who you expect to easily get into it?

I know I'm not Oche (thank God !) but Unterbuchner has entered the Denmark events by the way.

So I expect Unterbuchner, Nick Kenny, Ryan Hogarth, Ross Montgomery, Derk Telnekes, Cody Harris, Martin Adams, Darryl Fitton to be among those challenging for top 16. Outside chance to Paul Hogan, Thibault Tricole and Justin Thompson (if he does well at the 4 events he's playing in Europe next month). There may well be others.

Point is, most of the big point scoring events are still to come - Denmark weekend (A+ and A), Welsh weekend (A+ and A), England Open and National (A+ and B), England Classic weekend (A+ and C), British Open and Classic (A+ and A), Belfry and Bruge Opens (A and B), and Swedish Open weekend (A and D) - it is far too early to judge qualifiers yet. By the time the England Open weekend is done and dusted the picture will clearer for some. At the moment, I would say only the top 4 or 5 have already qualified for the Worlds.

Sorry, forgot McKinstry if he plays enough events

[Ginge]

He probably wont be when all is said and done.

Totally agree - he's giving it a good go, but his rolling ranking of equal 40th suggests he has some way to go before he's within touching distance of a BDO Worlds place. To be in a BDO Worlds place you have to average around 15 points for each of your 12 qualifying events. At the moment he is averaging 10. So, raise your results by about 50% and you'll get there!

Its not even that - all his decent points are from minor events bar the QF for Germany. You get the same amount of points for winning the Estonian Open as you do getting to the L32 in the Isle of Man. From the looks of it, the only Cat A+ he has actually got to the L64 of was the England Classic back in September. Will be nowhere near Lakeside via the main table unless he does better in those, of course I am assuming here he has played in more than just that one Cat A+ event.

[trotter01]

John Scott is an ex PDC tour card holder which surely means hell stroll into a Lakeside spot

Don't think he will though....

[oche balboa]

This was the table at the same point last year


1 Mark McGeeney (England) 306
2 Glen Durrant (England) 223
3 Jim Williams (Wales) 217
4 = Gary Robson (England) 181
4 = Martin Phillips (Wales) 181
6 Scott Mitchell (England) 178
7 Scott Waites (England) 177
8 Michael Unterbuchner (Germany) 174
9 Willem Mandigers (Netherlands) 166
10 Tony O'Shea (England) 149
11 Wesley Harms (Netherlands) 148
12 Richard Veenstra (Netherlands) 142
13 Chris Landman (Netherlands) 137
14 = Daniel Day (England) 116
14 = Dave Parletti (England) 116
16 Mark Layton (Wales) 112
17 Jeffrey Sparidaans (Netherlands) 111
18 Wayne Warren (Wales) 110
19 Conan Whitehead (England) 108
20 Jeffrey van Egdom (Belgium) 107
21 Wouter Vaes (Netherlands) 99
22 Ross Montgomery (Scotland) 96
23 = Carlo van Cleef (Netherlands) 92
23 = Francis Carragher (Republic of Ireland) 92
25 Derk Telnekes (Netherlands) 88
26 Darius Labanauskas (Lithuania) 86
27 David Cameron (Canada) 83
28 = Andy Baetens (Belgium) 79
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28 = Kyle McKinstry (Northern Ireland) 79
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30 Jim Widmayer (USA) 78
31 Dean Reynolds (Wales) 77
32 = Larry Butler (USA) 74
32 = Scott Baker (England) 74
34 Martijn Kleermaker (Netherlands) 73
35 Justin Thompson (Australia) 72
36 = Roger Janssen (Belgium) 67
36 = Tom Sawyer (USA) 67
38 Leonard Gates (USA) 58
39 Craig Venman (England) 56
40 Joe Chaney (USA) 55


Would be debutants 5 (Parletti, Layton, Van Egdom, Van Cleef, Carragher)


Selected others

51st- Ted Hankey 44
58th- Martin Adams 38
82nd- Geert De Vos 28
316th- Andy Hamilton 9


Regional Leaders

Baltic & Scandinavian- Brian Lokken (Denmark)
British Isles- Jim McEwan (Scotland)
Canada- David Cameron (Currently in top 27) 2nd Adam Stella
Eastern Europe- Oliver Ferenc (Serbia)
New Zealand- Greg Moss
USA- Jim Widmayer
Western Europe- Roger Janssen (Belgium)

Australia & Asia will run their own qualifiers

The tables at the same point last year. Notice Andy Hamilton was way behind. Spardiaans & Van Cleef both didnt make Lakeside. Only Greg Moss failed out of the regional qualifiers

[Adamsmithneale180]

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[Ginge]

"He tripped over a kerb"

[Adamsmithneale180]

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