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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by phil davies » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:27 pm

Meanwhile in Wigan Lowe smashing in a ton+ average against Hammer.
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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by masticman » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:35 pm

Shocking from hammer hits 95 1st 3. Then goes s20 s20 gotta go 19s to leave 347. No hots s20 to leave 346. Mad. Then o. 262 hits a ton leaves 162 shocking counting

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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by DavidB » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:42 pm

Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:39 pm
1205 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:22 pm
Buzz Fledderjohn wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:19 pm
1205 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:15 pm
McKinstry v Williams has started.
Williams won the bull and the first leg in 18 darts with McKinstry having been unable to take out 81 with 6 darts.
McKinstry going crazy with his scoring again in leg 2. 86 after 9 darts, and took 7 darts from there.

Cruel draw for both of them. Q School really needs some kind of seeding.
No it doesn't.
Leaving aside the nightmare of how you'd actually go about seeding it, it is by it's very nature supposed to be cut-throat.
The PDC seeds all but one event (UK Open) they have. They obviously don't want it to the cut-throat.
Some of the qualifiers have rankings on:
PDC OOM
PDC Challenge Tour OOM
BDO rankings
WDF rankings if they wanted to as well.

If it were winner takes all (e.g. Women's PDC World Championship qualifiers), it wouldn't be such a problem because theoretically the best player will win.
But with multiple winners each day and more people qualifying through a table, the random draw increases the negative impact of luck.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this.
Firstly, I can't see any fair way of seeding this when you've got players coming who've spent the last 12 months playing in completely different competitions and under different organisations. If you can come up with a fair way of seeding it, fair play to you.
If the seedings are therefore arbitrary, and not based upon a meritocracy, then what's the point of having them?

Yes, with a blind draw you'll see your fair share of "unlucky" draws, but in my opinion that's preferable to stacking the deck with a seeding system which isn't fit for purpose.


You forget one crucial thing, that there are 2 x Q Schools and one doesn’t have as many players nor the talent. It should be one school for everyone if you want a fair open draw. So yes perhaps seeding isn’t the way to go but it should be looked at to try and improve it...

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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by DavidB » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:49 pm

A question for the stattos...

In the history of Q School, has a loser of a ‘tour card match’ (ie: the final match to win a card) ever not qualified through the OoM (not counting if they did win an outright card during the remaining days) ?

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Post by Ginge » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:50 pm

How can you improve it if you dont seed it?

Increasing the format and it takes ages.
Shorten the format and you get more freal results.
Make it a group stage and it will take all night.

As for the answer to the last question: no idea. Will take a look. Guessing at worst it will have happened once on countback.

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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by phil davies » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:50 pm

Complete bottle job by Hammer their.
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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by ChrisW » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:51 pm

Gary Blades :) Did anyone have him?

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Am I on premod?

Started a new thread for the zero legs club and it said needed approving by a mod

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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by Zapp Brannigan » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:51 pm

MrLil8 wrote:Kleermaker loses. Had 3 from 74 to break and win.
Almost certain through oom now anyway

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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by phil davies » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:51 pm

DavidB wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:49 pm
A question for the stattos...

In the history of Q School, has a loser of a ‘tour card match’ (ie: the final match to win a card) ever not qualified through the OoM (not counting if they did win an outright card during the remaining days) ?
Dan Lauby last year
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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by Ginge » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:51 pm

Rout wrote:Am I on premod?

Started a new thread for the zero legs club and it said needed approving by a mod
It says that for me on Tapatalk as well but they appear straight away.

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Re: 2020 Q School

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Rout wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:51 pm
Am I on premod?

Started a new thread for the zero legs club and it said needed approving by a mod
Thread is there.
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2020 Q School

Post by Zapp Brannigan » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:55 pm

Gary blades through averaging 87 for the day, 41st for averages
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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by Tintifax » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:55 pm

The Tourcard for Leitinger is also a huge sensation for us Austrians. Leitinger is a strong Soft-tip-player.

We talked about Lerchbacher, maybe we have other irons in the fire (Rodriguez-brothers, Goedl...) but Leitinger who???

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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by Rout » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:56 pm

Ginge wrote:
Rout wrote:Am I on premod?

Started a new thread for the zero legs club and it said needed approving by a mod
It says that for me on Tapatalk as well but they appear straight away.
Ah okies. Thought I might have been restricted from when I used to be a naughty boy.

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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by DavidB » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:01 pm

phil davies wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:51 pm
DavidB wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:49 pm
A question for the stattos...

In the history of Q School, has a loser of a ‘tour card match’ (ie: the final match to win a card) ever not qualified through the OoM (not counting if they did win an outright card during the remaining days) ?
Dan Lauby last year

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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by craigmc » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:03 pm

Rout wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:51 pm
Am I on premod?

Started a new thread for the zero legs club and it said needed approving by a mod
Hopefully. Failing that I'd burn your keyboard.

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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by BlueSpark » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:04 pm

Rout wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:56 pm
Ginge wrote:
Rout wrote:Am I on premod?

Started a new thread for the zero legs club and it said needed approving by a mod
It says that for me on Tapatalk as well but they appear straight away.
Ah okies. Thought I might have been restricted from when I used to be a naughty boy.
Not yet
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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by DavidB » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:06 pm

Ginge wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:50 pm
How can you improve it if you dont seed it?

Increasing the format and it takes ages.
Shorten the format and you get more freal results.
Make it a group stage and it will take all night.

As for the answer to the last question: no idea. Will take a look. Guessing at worst it will have happened once on countback.


It’s a difficult one but I think in its current guise it needs a bit of change. I certainly agree that increasing/shortening the format is not the answer and neither is a group stage.

Seeding might not be the answer but it’s probably the fairest way, just working out seeding is the tough one...

My point on the question was that basically, in the history of Q School if you have one good run to a final then you’re virtually assured of a card. This backs up the point about a favourable draw and players are earning cards on the back of one good run which they played almost no hopers even if they lose first round the rest of the time. I appreciate you can only play what is in front of you but still...

I’m sure some players in this situation haven’t had a card for very long or have struggled at the bottom of the OoM...
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Re: 2020 Q School

Post by Wubbalubbadubdub » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:07 pm

ChrisW wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:51 pm
Gary Blades :) Did anyone have him?
I swopped him out for Jason Lowe :DDD:

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