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Competing in WDF-BDO tournaments

Post by copigme » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:24 am

Good morning everyone,
as far as many of the members have expirience of WDF tournaments I have some questions that I would be really happy to be answered.

1.Despite the fact that noone checks it, is there any official requirments for a player to take part in these events? (e.g. to my a member of an official darts club in his country) If nothing is required jump to question 6

2. Sould this club be a part of his country Darts Organization?

3. What kind of proof-papers of identity he should cary? (e.g. his darts club member card)

4. How these papers are cross-checked?

5. Are there any specifications for an official darts club member card? Or any club could have it's own structure? (paper-plastic, in english or in any language)

6. How the points you get in a ranked tournament sum up if no proof of identity required? Is only your country ID enough?

Thank you in advance
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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by The Jolly Man » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:18 am

Think the issue with regards if you can play or not is if the event is BDO ranked or not. If it is tour card holders can’t play.

There may be issues if where the player comes from doesn’t have a recognised national organisation, where is the person your talking about from?

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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by Ginge » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:56 am

1 - the check is if you are ineligible (i.e. a full PDC member) rather than you being eligible. So no worries there.

6 - they just send the list of players and nationalities to the BDO to add the points on, which in the past has caused issues as the wrong Martin Atkins once got some points his namesake should have got. As long as there arent two players with identical name and nationality it isnt normally an issue.

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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by copigme » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:32 pm

Ginge wrote:1 - the check is if you are ineligible (i.e. a full PDC member) rather than you being eligible. So no worries there.

6 - they just send the list of players and nationalities to the BDO to add the points on, which in the past has caused issues as the wrong Martin Atkins once got some points his namesake should have got. As long as there arent two players with identical name and nationality it isnt normally an issue.
Thank you for the answer Ginge,

So, anyone can go and play just with his identity and they can ranked etc normaly.
This is something that is just because of the lack of control? or there is no regulation telling that anyone have to be a member of an official club?

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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by Ginge » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:35 pm

The only criteria is that you are NOT a full PDC member. Never seen any Lakeside ranked event that states you have to be a member of a team/club.

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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by copigme » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:39 pm

The Jolly Man wrote:Think the issue with regards if you can play or not is if the event is BDO ranked or not. If it is tour card holders can’t play.

There may be issues if where the player comes from doesn’t have a recognised national organisation, where is the person your talking about from?
Thank you for the answer Jolly man,

both you and Ginge telling me that the only issue is if you have a PDC tour card.

We just founded a darts club here in Greece and we are about to make or member cards. Some people telling me that you dont have to be a member of an official club to play in any WDF (or BDO) ranked tournament and others are telling me the opposite.

There is a recognised (from the WDF) national organisation here in Greece, and our club will be part of it, but i want to know if there is any regulations in this issue because, as far as we are starting something new, we want to make everything as supposed to be done.
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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by copigme » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:49 pm

Ginge wrote:The only criteria is that you are NOT a full PDC member. Never seen any Lakeside ranked event that states you have to be a member of a team/club.
That's clear. :)
No one more question. Forgive my ignorance.
What is the difference between the WDF tournaments and BDO tournaments?
Im trying to find an answer searching online and Im getting confused. In my eyes is like both WDF and BDO are the same oeganization running all the tournaments for the "non-Professional Players".
Do I get it right?

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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by Ginge » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:54 pm

copigme wrote:
Ginge wrote:The only criteria is that you are NOT a full PDC member. Never seen any Lakeside ranked event that states you have to be a member of a team/club.
That's clear. :)
No one more question. Forgive my ignorance.
What is the difference between the WDF tournaments and BDO tournaments?
Im trying to find an answer searching online and Im getting confused. In my eyes is like both WDF and BDO are the same oeganization running all the tournaments for the "non-Professional Players".
Do I get it right?
It costs an event $1.00 per entry in an event to apply for WDF points, essentially its a year to date ranking list and the leaders at the end of the year get a cash prize. It is also used to split ties for Lakeside qualification.

Many events now no longer bother to apply for WDF points due to the extra cost, dont think England Darts bother anymore but could be wrong on that.

As far as I am aware applying for BDO points is free as long as you stick to the criteria laid down (for example if you want Category A points the mens fund must be at least £7k, there are rules on minimum playing format etc...).

And some events will have both WDF and BDO points.

WDF points are a bit...pointless, really. The list isnt used for much at all.

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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by copigme » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:18 pm

Ginge wrote: It costs an event $1.00 per entry in an event to apply for WDF points, essentially its a year to date ranking list and the leaders at the end of the year get a cash prize. It is also used to split ties for Lakeside qualification.

Many events now no longer bother to apply for WDF points due to the extra cost, dont think England Darts bother anymore but could be wrong on that.

As far as I am aware applying for BDO points is free as long as you stick to the criteria laid down (for example if you want Category A points the mens fund must be at least £7k, there are rules on minimum playing format etc...).

And some events will have both WDF and BDO points.

WDF points are a bit...pointless, really. The list isnt used for much at all.
Making a quick comparison in the links below, I see that most of the WDF's calendar events (if not all of them) are also BDO ranked events.
https://www.bdodarts.com/diary-2018-ranked.php
https://www.dartswdf.com/calendar/

So,all these big tournaments in Roumania, Malta, Spain etc are in fact BDO (and not WDF) events?

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Post by Ginge » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:20 pm

copigme wrote:
Ginge wrote: It costs an event $1.00 per entry in an event to apply for WDF points, essentially its a year to date ranking list and the leaders at the end of the year get a cash prize. It is also used to split ties for Lakeside qualification.

Many events now no longer bother to apply for WDF points due to the extra cost, dont think England Darts bother anymore but could be wrong on that.

As far as I am aware applying for BDO points is free as long as you stick to the criteria laid down (for example if you want Category A points the mens fund must be at least £7k, there are rules on minimum playing format etc...).

And some events will have both WDF and BDO points.

WDF points are a bit...pointless, really. The list isnt used for much at all.
Making a quick comparison in the links below, I see that most of the WDF's calendar events (if not all of them) are also BDO ranked events.
https://www.bdodarts.com/diary-2018-ranked.php
https://www.dartswdf.com/calendar/

So,all these big tournaments in Roumania, Malta, Spain etc are in fact BDO (and not WDF) events?
Well they can be both, as I already said.

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Re: RE: Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by copigme » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:27 pm

Ginge wrote:Well they can be both, as I already said.
Everything is clearer now thank you very much Ginge.

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Re: Competing in WDF-BDO tournaments

Post by el_ringo » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:07 pm

I may be very wrong on this point but I was always under the impression that to qualify for the (Winmau) Masters you had to be affiliated to a county but if this was true I have no clue how this affected Overseas players.

If you wish to play for England you have to be a member of a county that is a member of the EDO or join the EDO as a 'private' member however this restriction doesn't apply to their 'Opens'. Its quite possible to win every EDO open be top of the EDO ranking tables and not have a chance of being considered to play for England though. Confused ? you will be ;)

As a rule of thumb within the BDO / WDF it only matters who or what you are meant to be or not meant to be a member of when you beat 'certain' players and take away their precious ranking points !

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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by Dannyboy » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:16 am

Ginge wrote:1 - the check is if you are ineligible (i.e. a full PDC member) rather than you being eligible. So no worries there.

6 - they just send the list of players and nationalities to the BDO to add the points on, which in the past has caused issues as the wrong Martin Atkins once got some points his namesake should have got. As long as there arent two players with identical name and nationality it isnt normally an issue.
Point 6 should never ever happen - even an organisation like the BDO should have some sort of watertight process to prevent that as surely in tournaments like the Dutch Open you’re bound to have some duplication with names.

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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by Mgt » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:19 am

Dannyboy wrote:
Ginge wrote:1 - the check is if you are ineligible (i.e. a full PDC member) rather than you being eligible. So no worries there.

6 - they just send the list of players and nationalities to the BDO to add the points on, which in the past has caused issues as the wrong Martin Atkins once got some points his namesake should have got. As long as there arent two players with identical name and nationality it isnt normally an issue.
Point 6 should never ever happen - even an organisation like the BDO should have some sort of watertight process to prevent that as surely in tournaments like the Dutch Open you’re bound to have some duplication with names.
Jan Jansen could become number one based on the Dutch open alone.......

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Re: Competing in WDF tournaments

Post by Ginge » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:30 am

Dannyboy wrote:
Ginge wrote:1 - the check is if you are ineligible (i.e. a full PDC member) rather than you being eligible. So no worries there.

6 - they just send the list of players and nationalities to the BDO to add the points on, which in the past has caused issues as the wrong Martin Atkins once got some points his namesake should have got. As long as there arent two players with identical name and nationality it isnt normally an issue.
Point 6 should never ever happen - even an organisation like the BDO should have some sort of watertight process to prevent that as surely in tournaments like the Dutch Open you’re bound to have some duplication with names.
I agree, but like I said, it did happen with the Atkins :D

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Re: Competing in WDF-BDO tournaments

Post by ChrisW » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:43 am

Put date of birth on the entry process.

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Re: Competing in WDF-BDO tournaments

Post by Skewball » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:55 am

ChrisW wrote:Put date of birth on the entry process.
Wouldn't advise that anymore under GDPR!

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Re: Competing in WDF-BDO tournaments

Post by ChrisW » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:40 am

Skewball wrote:
ChrisW wrote:Put date of birth on the entry process.
Wouldn't advise that anymore under GDPR!
On the registration process not the rankings.

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Re: Competing in WDF-BDO tournaments

Post by malcy93 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:46 am

ChrisW wrote:
Skewball wrote:
ChrisW wrote:Put date of birth on the entry process.
Wouldn't advise that anymore under GDPR!
On the registration process not the rankings.
Exactly. That though is highly personal data in GDPR terms and shouldn’t be shared with someone like darts organisers as they have no need to have it.

They should start to issue unique registration numbers as a player with EDO or BDO. Most other sports require a registration with the organising body. I am registered with both FA for my rubbish casual football and LTA tennis through my club.

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