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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by ChrisW » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:59 pm

Not forgetting Bristow. 22 I think was his first Embassy title.

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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by Garry Murphy » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:20 pm

oche balboa wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:30 pm
I love Garry's rants about the BDO & then he claims he has no interest

Discussing how McGeeney was once called a youth player, despite you claiming it never happened and proved you wrong does not constitute a rant.

You are acting like IFM, where any factual comment about the BDO is taken like some sort of personal attack.Comments on the bdo will happen on a darts forum discussion thread.
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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by DavidB » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:42 pm

ChrisW wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:59 pm
Not forgetting Bristow. 22 I think was his first Embassy title.

Doesn’t suit their argument as it was an open field then... :grin:

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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by Ginge » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:48 pm

1205 wrote:
Ginge wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:13 pm
A friend has just rang me and asked how many are under 30 in the Top 16 of this list?

http://www.bdodarts.com/images/bdo-cont ... ummary.pdf

Anyone know?
Google?

Telnekes 23.
Mandigers 29.
Unterbuchner and Day are 30.

Further down
(22) Dean Reynolds is 26.
12.5%

Oh dear.

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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by DavidB » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:43 pm

So it’s 25% a piece if top 16 who are 30 or under... :grin:

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Post by Skewball » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:14 am

DavidB wrote:So it’s 25% a piece if top 16 who are 30 or under... :grin:
What was the actual point of all this?
It's never been any different in the BDO, PDC or when it was all just Bdo.

It's interesting to look at why Darts is not yet ' a young man's' game in general but what has it got to do with pdc v bdo? Have i missed some posts?!

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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by oche balboa » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:20 am

Garry Murphy wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:20 pm
oche balboa wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:30 pm
I love Garry's rants about the BDO & then he claims he has no interest

Discussing how McGeeney was once called a youth player, despite you claiming it never happened and proved you wrong does not constitute a rant.

You are acting like IFM, where any factual comment about the BDO is taken like some sort of personal attack.Comments on the bdo will happen on a darts forum discussion thread.

Someone is to have likely said it in jest and you’ve fallen for it
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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by Ginge » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 am

oche balboa wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:20 am


Someone is to have likely said it in jest and you’ve fallen for it
Incorrect, it was in a serious conversation. I assume they forgot he was in his 40s :DDD:

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Post by oche balboa » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:24 am

Where was this discussion ?
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Post by Ginge » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:24 am

oche balboa wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:24 am
Where was this discussion ?
On a darts forum, mate.

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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by ChrisW » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:30 am

Garry Murphy wrote:
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I could do with a laugh, so can someone tell me what are these 13 "majors" that durrant won.
Who said he won 13?

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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by Ginge » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:32 am

Wasnt it 8?

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Post by ChrisW » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:35 am

Ginge wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:32 am
Wasnt it 8?
Yes. Poor lad is confused. It rattled him so much.

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Post by DavidB » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:31 am

Skewball wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:14 am
DavidB wrote:So it’s 25% a piece if top 16 who are 30 or under... :grin:
What was the actual point of all this?
It's never been any different in the BDO, PDC or when it was all just Bdo.

It's interesting to look at why Darts is not yet ' a young man's' game in general but what has it got to do with pdc v bdo? Have i missed some posts?!


Yes keep up :grin:

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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by DavidB » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:13 pm

ChrisW wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:35 am
Ginge wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:32 am
Wasnt it 8?
Yes. Poor lad is confused. It rattled him so much.

How nice of Garry to include Duzza’s Gold Cup, Isle of Man Open, British Classic, England Open and Jersey Open as majors :)

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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by 1205 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:18 pm

Skewball wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:14 am
DavidB wrote:So it’s 25% a piece if top 16 who are 30 or under... :grin:
What was the actual point of all this?
It's never been any different in the BDO, PDC or when it was all just Bdo.

It's interesting to look at why Darts is not yet ' a young man's' game in general but what has it got to do with pdc v bdo? Have i missed some posts?!
The PDC v BDO is for various reasons. Spite, sadness, Schadenfreude.
Darts isn't a "young man's game" in the sense that players quickly get too old, but it is a game where young talent can excel.
In the PDC:
4 of the top 16 are 30 or under.
8 of the top 32 are 30 or under.
But _18_ of the top 48 are 30 or under.
In fact, the younger players in the 33 to 48 range are all _28_ or under.
And I'd also note that there's "old" players like van Gerwen who Adrian Lewis who were playing at a top level at a young age, and you also get player like Price who switched later and quickly made it to the top.
Also, Cadby is 23 and I don't doubt he'd have a much higher rank if he'd not lied and overstayed his visa.

Given that players can have a long career, I think the high proportion of young players in the 33-48 ranking range is pretty telling of the trend towards youth.

I haven't looked at the BDO but I'd expect it to be older. The top young talent will start in or quickly switch to PDC so I think we should expect the BDO to be older overall.

I really wish the BDO would talk seriously with Hearn.

EDIT:
BDO is older, having more players in the top 64 who're 56-65. (Can't get find all their dates of birth).
BDO does seem to have a somewhat similar spread of ages, although fewer on the younger end and more older players.

Weirdly, both PDC and BDO seem to have few top 64 players in the 36-40 age range. Maybe it's a darts era thing, or maybe early thirties is when players are most likely to give up their attempts at making it big.

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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by DavidB » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:19 pm

1205 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:18 pm
Darts isn't a "young man's game" in the sense that players quickly get too old, but it is a game where young talent can excel.
In the PDC:
4 of the top 16 are 30 or under.
8 of the top 32 are 30 or under.
But _18_ of the top 48 are 30 or under.
In fact, the younger players in the 33 to 48 range are all _28_ or under.
And I'd also note that there's "old" players like van Gerwen who Adrian Lewis who were playing at a top level at a young age, and you also get player like Price who switched later and quickly made it to the top.
Also, Cadby is 23 and I don't doubt he'd have a much higher rank if he'd not lied and overstayed his visa.

Given that players can have a long career, I think the high proportion of young players in the 33-48 ranking range is pretty telling of the trend towards youth


I think the point is you would expect the real youth/younger players to excel more but who seriously could win a major next year other than MvG, Ando and others over 30?? Only Michael Smith I'd say and no one else who is ranked outside the top 16. And in terms of the trend, by the time these 33-48 ranked players you mention get into the top 16/8 or win a major they are over 30!

Don't forget MvG is only 29! He is of course a one-off.

Ref the BDO, don't forget also the Winmau World Master is only 25!

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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by 1205 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:46 pm

DavidB wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:19 pm
1205 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:18 pm
Darts isn't a "young man's game" in the sense that players quickly get too old, but it is a game where young talent can excel.
In the PDC:
4 of the top 16 are 30 or under.
8 of the top 32 are 30 or under.
But _18_ of the top 48 are 30 or under.
In fact, the younger players in the 33 to 48 range are all _28_ or under.
And I'd also note that there's "old" players like van Gerwen who Adrian Lewis who were playing at a top level at a young age, and you also get player like Price who switched later and quickly made it to the top.
Also, Cadby is 23 and I don't doubt he'd have a much higher rank if he'd not lied and overstayed his visa.

Given that players can have a long career, I think the high proportion of young players in the 33-48 ranking range is pretty telling of the trend towards youth


I think the point is you would expect the real youth/younger players to excel more but who seriously could win a major next year other than MvG, Ando and others over 30?? Only Michael Smith I'd say and no one else who is ranked outside the top 16. And in terms of the trend, by the time these 33-48 ranked players you mention get into the top 16/8 or win a major they are over 30!

Don't forget MvG is only 29! He is of course a one-off.

Ref the BDO, don't forget also the Winmau World Master is only 25!
Rob Cross is 28. I think he is _capable_ of winning majors.

MvG isn't really a one-off.
Adrian Lewis won his double at 25 and 26.
Going back further, Bristow won his first titles pretty young.
Exceptional talent will climb quickly.

I wouldn't expect the younger players to really be excelling, due to the longevity in darts, but I think that overall things are getting younger because of earlier development.

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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by BlueSpark » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:19 pm

Still debating this.
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Re: Finder Darts Masters 7-9 Dec 2018, Egmond aan Zee

Post by DavidB » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:26 pm

1205 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:46 pm
DavidB wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:19 pm
1205 wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:18 pm
Darts isn't a "young man's game" in the sense that players quickly get too old, but it is a game where young talent can excel.
In the PDC:
4 of the top 16 are 30 or under.
8 of the top 32 are 30 or under.
But _18_ of the top 48 are 30 or under.
In fact, the younger players in the 33 to 48 range are all _28_ or under.
And I'd also note that there's "old" players like van Gerwen who Adrian Lewis who were playing at a top level at a young age, and you also get player like Price who switched later and quickly made it to the top.
Also, Cadby is 23 and I don't doubt he'd have a much higher rank if he'd not lied and overstayed his visa.

Given that players can have a long career, I think the high proportion of young players in the 33-48 ranking range is pretty telling of the trend towards youth


I think the point is you would expect the real youth/younger players to excel more but who seriously could win a major next year other than MvG, Ando and others over 30?? Only Michael Smith I'd say and no one else who is ranked outside the top 16. And in terms of the trend, by the time these 33-48 ranked players you mention get into the top 16/8 or win a major they are over 30!

Don't forget MvG is only 29! He is of course a one-off.

Ref the BDO, don't forget also the Winmau World Master is only 25!
Rob Cross is 28. I think he is _capable_ of winning majors.

MvG isn't really a one-off.
Adrian Lewis won his double at 25 and 26.
Going back further, Bristow won his first titles pretty young.
Exceptional talent will climb quickly.

I wouldn't expect the younger players to really be excelling, due to the longevity in darts, but I think that overall things are getting younger because of earlier development.


No need to mention Cross as was included in the others even though 28 given he’s world champ.

MvG is a one-off - there probably won’t be another player like him given he was winning majors at 17.

Are there any players under 25 who could win a major??

Many people expected Lewis to win much earlier than he did.

So are you saying because there are players who are at the top who are older this means younger players won’t be excelling at a young age?? Surely age isn’t a barrier??

But perhaps what you’re trying to say is as players developer younger these days because of all the tours available, etc then it means perhaps in 10-15 years we could have say 70-80% of the world top 16 all being 25 or younger and some already being major winners??

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