2017 PDC Grand Slam of Darts, Wolverhampton 11-19 November

[Ginge]

Also the contracts are reportedly stating that prize money is forfeited if you attend Q School.

So if you get given a card and dont attend, this wont apply will it?

One would assume the contracts specifically mention associate membership as does the eligibility rule.

That's an awfully brave thing to do where the BDO board are concerned

The BDO assumed they could sell 240 tickets a session at a cinema in Wales, how wrong they were....

[Ecky Thump]

Why would the PDC intervene one way or the other.

They won't.

Yet they did for Bunting when, in my opinion, the BDO was not as reliant on one player as they are now.

[dartsfacts]

Also the contracts are reportedly stating that prize money is forfeited if you attend Q School.

So if you get given a card and dont attend, this wont apply will it?

One would assume the contracts specifically mention associate membership as does the eligibility rule.

You are assuming aren't you?

[ifm]

Also the contracts are reportedly stating that prize money is forfeited if you attend Q School.

So if you get given a card and dont attend, this wont apply will it?

One would assume the contracts specifically mention associate membership as does the eligibility rule.

That's an awfully brave thing to do where the BDO board are concerned

The BDO assumed they could sell 240 tickets a session at a cinema in Wales, how wrong they were....

I wouldn't have thought so.
Anyway I'm sure your source will be firing the contract over to you presently.

[dartsfacts]

Why would the PDC intervene one way or the other.

They won't.

Yet they did for Bunting when, in my opinion, the BDO was not as reliant on one player as they are now.

So

[ifm]

Also the contracts are reportedly stating that prize money is forfeited if you attend Q School.

So if you get given a card and dont attend, this wont apply will it?

One would assume the contracts specifically mention associate membership as does the eligibility rule.

You are assuming aren't you?

It's a solid assumption as they already have rules in place with that specific wording.

[dartsfacts]

Also the contracts are reportedly stating that prize money is forfeited if you attend Q School.

So if you get given a card and dont attend, this wont apply will it?

One would assume the contracts specifically mention associate membership as does the eligibility rule.

You are assuming aren't you?

It's a solid assumption as they already have rules in place with that specific wording.

So a guess then?

[ifm]

Also the contracts are reportedly stating that prize money is forfeited if you attend Q School.

So if you get given a card and dont attend, this wont apply will it?

One would assume the contracts specifically mention associate membership as does the eligibility rule.

You are assuming aren't you?

It's a solid assumption as they already have rules in place with that specific wording.

So a guess then?

Well, derr

[nikkiboy]

Also the contracts are reportedly stating that prize money is forfeited if you attend Q School.

So if you get given a card and dont attend, this wont apply will it?

One would assume the contracts specifically mention associate membership as does the eligibility rule.

That's an awfully brave thing to do where the BDO board are concerned

Not brave but stupid and insular, if it is a prize for winning the event then they have to pay it, if they try and restrict where he plays after the event they are breaking EU laws and will be found out.
They could possibly put a clause to say that the tournament officially ends the day after Q school entries close and the prize money will be paid then to any eligible player, i.e. not a PDPA member of associate member and by entering any competition run by a rival organisation he would make himself ineligible. Risky strategy though because it could still be argued that they are restricting his trade options.

If I am correct in my assumptions, there is nowhere that says you have to enter Q school or any competition with your real name so I'd enter as Gerry Dunnant and after the date on the BDO contract expires change it with the PDC, devious but no more devious than what the BDO are trying to do.

[dartsfacts]

Also the contracts are reportedly stating that prize money is forfeited if you attend Q School.

So if you get given a card and dont attend, this wont apply will it?

One would assume the contracts specifically mention associate membership as does the eligibility rule.

That's an awfully brave thing to do where the BDO board are concerned

Not brave but stupid and insular, if it is a prize for winning the event then they have to pay it, if they try and restrict where he plays after the event they are breaking EU laws and will be found out.
They could possibly put a clause to say that the tournament officially ends the day after Q school entries close and the prize money will be paid then to any eligible player, i.e. not a PDPA member of associate member and by entering any competition run by a rival organisation he would make himself ineligible. Risky strategy though because it could still be argued that they are restricting his trade options.

If I am correct in my assumptions, there is nowhere that says you have to enter Q school or any competition with your real name so I'd enter as Gerry Dunnant and after the date on the BDO contract expires change it with the PDC, devious but no more devious than what the BDO are trying to do.

He could also reach the semi-final then refuse to play unless they tear the contract up. His management team should already be contacting Channel 4 informing them of this possibility.

[Skewball]

Its a farce and would not hold up in any court, the problem is the willingness to do it. The winners cheque might make it worthwhile if you can get a no win no fee arrangement with a legal firm in return for a high % of the winnings.

also, if you have to sign it once you reach the semi's then its clearly being signed under 'duress' but I assume they have to sign it up front now?

[Ecky Thump]

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Why would the PDC intervene one way or the other.

They won't.

Yet they did for Bunting when, in my opinion, the BDO was not as reliant on one player as they are now.

So

Why not do it for Durrant just to fuck with the BDO, they shoehorned Jeff Smith and Ratajski in to the World's so why not do this?

[Skewball]

and whats Noppert doing this year? He is in the same position as he want to move?

[Booji Boy]

If Durrant wins Lakeside again it is guaranteed that the PDC will give him a tour card, regardless of what Hearn says.

[Murphio]

Glenn ought to have a word with Ian. He is an expert in the lakeside contract and how worthless it is. He can brief Glenn in how exactly he can register for the q school deadline of January 16 while still ensuring his prize money for an event which ends on January 14. The Oracle might want to bear in mind, though, the PDC deliberately held back the announcement of Bunting's tour card until after his cheque had cleared... something the PDC no longer does.

Woot?
Have you been drinking again?
Some points:-

The lakeside had/has 2 contracts, 1 (or the first part) covers the normal playing rules, sponsor badges, conduct etc. for the competition, the 2nd (or second part) says that if you get to the semi then you must defend your title the following year or forfeit your winnings.

The PDC no longer offers tour cards because it was pretty embarrassing being turned down repeatedly.

The BDO and PDC agreed that a player cannot secretly enter q school in order to negate the second part/second contract.

Bunting took the money before announcing he was switching which cannot happen again (see above), the BDO decided it would be too expensive to pursue their money after consultation with lawyers.

There will be some sort of standoff if Durrant gets to the semi, as with Hankey, personally i think he'd fold as he's not the confrontational type but his management will step in and they won't.
The problem is he has to do q school and there is no guarantee there, he doesn't want to burn his bridges.

I see trouble ahead.

Yes. I have been drinking.

You should have stopped there as the rest is just an incoherent mumble, well a repeat of what i said at least.
Just to recap the point you simply cannot grasp, the player still has the choice, he takes the money and doesn't go to q school or he goes to q school and forfeits the money, the simple (flipping obvious) fact that he has this choice means he has free will.

Right, so as expected we are now back to the nonsensical circular semantics of 'no one forces them to sign the contract in the first place'. The fact remains that if Glenn Durrant wins Lakeside he will be prevented from joining Q school. AGAINST HIS WILL. As I told you in our exchange two weeks ago; he cannot do what Bunting did and simply ignore the contract because the goalposts have moved.

The automatic Tour Card has been removed and entrants are required to sign up for Q School before they get their Lakeside money. This has nothing whatsoever do do with 'embarrassment'. It was an agreement reached between the BDO and PDC that the latter would no longer interfere with the Lakeside contract. I verified this with Barry Hearn and Matt Porter on Twitter.

[Skewball]

If Durrant wins Lakeside again it is guaranteed that the PDC will give him a tour card, regardless of what Hearn says.

really? Hearn has been quite insistent and consistent. I would be very suprised if Hearn went back on something he again reiterated this week.
And one thing is for sure - its not 'guaranteed'!!

[Addicks Fan]

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Why would the PDC intervene one way or the other.

They won't.

Yet they did for Bunting when, in my opinion, the BDO was not as reliant on one player as they are now.

So

Why not do it for Durrant just to fek with the BDO, they shoehorned Jeff Smith and Ratajski in to the World's so why not do this?

They did not break any rules in doing that, least of all their own. Do you honestly think they care about sticking two fingers up at the BDO anymore? Better to ignore them unless they add to the tournament, in which case use them. Smith and Ratajski strengthen the World Championships. Durrant strengthens the Grand Slam as a BDO player far more than he would as a PDC player.

Hearn has said many times that Q-School is the only way to get a card - I think he would see any fudging of that as a sign of weakness, not strength

[Ginge]

Hearn also said he wouldnt mess with the format of the snooker UK championship.

#JustSaying

[dartsfacts]

From a solicitor

"The main legal principal where a restraint of trade is applied is thus, the plaintiff must prove that there is an obligation imposed on him which prevents him from earning or limiting his ability to earn a living at his chosen occupation"

Given the PDC's £14,000,000 tour, sponsorship opportunities due to TV exposure, Its safe to say that the Lakeside contract will limit Durrant earning potential and he would win any court case should it get that off. I am sure his management team will be on the ball anyway and Durrant knows this.

[Booji Boy]

If Durrant wins Lakeside again it is guaranteed that the PDC will give him a tour card, regardless of what Hearn says.

really? Hearn has been quite insistent and consistent. I would be very suprised if Hearn went back on something he again reiterated this week.
And one thing is for sure - its not 'guaranteed'!!

There is no way the PDC are not taking the opportunity to have the lakeside champion (if he wins it again) move over to them. No chance on this earth.

The Pdc is not all about Hearn, despite what people would have you believe. Matt Porter has a huge influence on what goes on.