World Championship: Women’s Qualifiers 17 Nov Dusseldorf, 25 Nov Milton Keynes

[Little Lonely Garry]

No Trina Gulliver or Paula Jacklin...good turnout though

Not a single Lincs county player, A or B, has entered it.

no no no no....thats all just a complete coincidence

[Dannyboy]

Burton DeWitt
@bsd987

Highest ranked players in LDO to not enter either PDC World Championship qualifier:
Trina Gulliver (8)
Paula Jacklin (11)
Anca Zijlstra (15)
Tori Kewish (17)
Patricia Steenbergen (t-18)
Tricia Wright (t-18)
Deana Rosenblom (21)
Margaret Sutton (22)
Julie Thompson (23)

I don’t get why. This is a dream opportunity for these guys. Hasn’t Trina time and time again moaned about lack of opportunities for the women’s game. This doesn’t help.

[Wubbalubbadubdub]

Burton DeWitt
@bsd987

Highest ranked players in LDO to not enter either PDC World Championship qualifier:
Trina Gulliver (8)
Paula Jacklin (11)
Anca Zijlstra (15)
Tori Kewish (17)
Patricia Steenbergen (t-18)
Tricia Wright (t-18)
Deana Rosenblom (21)
Margaret Sutton (22)
Julie Thompson (23)

I don’t get why. This is a dream opportunity for these guys. Hasn’t Trina time and time again moaned about lack of opportunities for the women’s game. This doesn’t help.

Isn't Trina sponsored by Finders? If so then this would have been booked ages ago, especially if she will be teaming up with Paula again in the doubles.
Maybe they realise that they won't win the spot at the Worlds and it's better to go and try and earn a bit of cash.They are both getting towards the end of their darting careers "alledgedly".

[Dannyboy]

Burton DeWitt
@bsd987

Highest ranked players in LDO to not enter either PDC World Championship qualifier:
Trina Gulliver (8)
Paula Jacklin (11)
Anca Zijlstra (15)
Tori Kewish (17)
Patricia Steenbergen (t-18)
Tricia Wright (t-18)
Deana Rosenblom (21)
Margaret Sutton (22)
Julie Thompson (23)

I don’t get why. This is a dream opportunity for these guys. Hasn’t Trina time and time again moaned about lack of opportunities for the women’s game. This doesn’t help.

Isn't Trina sponsored by Finders? If so then this would have been booked ages ago, especially if she will be teaming up with Paula again in the doubles.
Maybe they realise that they won't win the spot at the Worlds and it's better to go and try and earn a bit of cash.They are both getting towards the end of their darting careers "alledgedly".

A spot in the Worlds is worth £7,500. Versus a few Euros in Italy and significantly more travel costs.

[The Jolly Man]

Burton DeWitt
@bsd987

Highest ranked players in LDO to not enter either PDC World Championship qualifier:
Trina Gulliver (8)
Paula Jacklin (11)
Anca Zijlstra (15)
Tori Kewish (17)
Patricia Steenbergen (t-18)
Tricia Wright (t-18)
Deana Rosenblom (21)
Margaret Sutton (22)
Julie Thompson (23)

I don’t get why. This is a dream opportunity for these guys. Hasn’t Trina time and time again moaned about lack of opportunities for the women’s game. This doesn’t help.

Isn't Trina sponsored by Finders? If so then this would have been booked ages ago, especially if she will be teaming up with Paula again in the doubles.
Maybe they realise that they won't win the spot at the Worlds and it's better to go and try and earn a bit of cash.They are both getting towards the end of their darting careers "alledgedly".

A spot in the Worlds is worth £7,500. Versus a few Euros in Italy and significantly more travel costs.

But if your sponsor wants you somewhere you have to go and that may be worth more than the £7500 on offer if you win a single event where there are a number of players who can and do beat you are playing.

[1205]

Burton DeWitt
@bsd987

Highest ranked players in LDO to not enter either PDC World Championship qualifier:
Trina Gulliver (8)
Paula Jacklin (11)
Anca Zijlstra (15)
Tori Kewish (17)
Patricia Steenbergen (t-18)
Tricia Wright (t-18)
Deana Rosenblom (21)
Margaret Sutton (22)
Julie Thompson (23)

I don’t get why. This is a dream opportunity for these guys. Hasn’t Trina time and time again moaned about lack of opportunities for the women’s game. This doesn’t help.

Isn't Trina sponsored by Finders? If so then this would have been booked ages ago, especially if she will be teaming up with Paula again in the doubles.
Maybe they realise that they won't win the spot at the Worlds and it's better to go and try and earn a bit of cash.They are both getting towards the end of their darting careers "alledgedly".

A spot in the Worlds is worth £7,500. Versus a few Euros in Italy and significantly more travel costs.

It's worth £0 to anyone who's not going to win.

[ssjsa]

[The Jolly Man]

Because only 4 or 5 players have realistic chance of coming through the qualifiers. When you have events that sponsors want you to go to. Or events that qualify them to the only thing that’s guaranteed a year later, Lakeside.

What is Hearn wanting? He can say the same about why x amount of the top BDO players don’t enter a-school each year to play for £x million a year.

[DavidB]

Perhaps he should look at it that only 2 of the 16 women who have qualified for Lakeside haven’t entered and he might be happier...

[Little Lonely Garry]

Correct me if I am wrong but the last time I checked Barry Hearn also mentioned how he was disappointed that the bdo did not include Lisa Ashton among its selection for the Grand Slam...according to a tweet he made.,

Last time I checked the GSoD was a PDC comp, if Uncle Barry is not happy with how the bdo select their entries, he is in a position to rectify that situation, and dictate who can enter/....is it not his comp ?

[1205]

Because only 4 or 5 players have realistic chance of coming through the qualifiers. When you have events that sponsors want you to go to. Or events that qualify them to the only thing that’s guaranteed a year later, Lakeside.

What is Hearn wanting? He can say the same about why x amount of the top BDO players don’t enter a-school each year to play for £x million a year.

It could be telling the women to (put up or) shut up.

The positive spin would be that it's his way of saying they they're willing to give the women more opportunities but they need to show strong commitment in response.

[Addicks Fan]

Because only 4 or 5 players have realistic chance of coming through the qualifiers. When you have events that sponsors want you to go to. Or events that qualify them to the only thing that’s guaranteed a year later, Lakeside.

What is Hearn wanting? He can say the same about why x amount of the top BDO players don’t enter a-school each year to play for £x million a year.

It could be telling the women to (put up or) shut up.

The positive spin would be that it's his way of saying they they're willing to give the women more opportunities but they need to show strong commitment in response.

He needs to give more to start with. They will not get more exposure through this than through their own World Championship. Tokenism at its most blatant. Anyone who thinks the future for womens darts is to give up on their own tour and compete against men is deluded. Does Barry expect them to win a game? If not, what's the point?

[1205]

Because only 4 or 5 players have realistic chance of coming through the qualifiers. When you have events that sponsors want you to go to. Or events that qualify them to the only thing that’s guaranteed a year later, Lakeside.

What is Hearn wanting? He can say the same about why x amount of the top BDO players don’t enter a-school each year to play for £x million a year.

It could be telling the women to (put up or) shut up.

The positive spin would be that it's his way of saying they they're willing to give the women more opportunities but they need to show strong commitment in response.

He needs to give more to start with. They will not get more exposure through this than through their own World Championship. Tokenism at its most blatant. Anyone who thinks the future for womens darts is to give up on their own tour and compete against men is deluded. Does Barry expect them to win a game? If not, what's the point?

Hearn doesn't do anything unless he think it'll help make money, so this tweet is probably just stirring things for publicity. Just before tomorrow's UK Women's qualifiers.

Maybe the 2 places (why not 1?) were just trying to add some interest to the early rounds.

But maybe it's a bit bigger than that.

The 2018 BDO Lakeside women's prize fund was £29k.
World Masters £10,500.
British Open and Classic £2360 each.
Turkish Open and Classic €3400 each.
Luxembourg Open and Master €1250 each.
etc.

Each 2018 PDC Pro Tour event prize fund was £75k.
1 men's Pro Tour weekend (streamed only), has a prize fund of £150k.
That's likely bigger than the BDO women's entire year.

But to make the leap, they'd first have to be convinced that the women could generate enough viewing to make the PDC money.
They tried before and gave up. So, try again, start small, gauge interest and adjust?

[ChrisW]

Because only 4 or 5 players have realistic chance of coming through the qualifiers. When you have events that sponsors want you to go to. Or events that qualify them to the only thing that’s guaranteed a year later, Lakeside.

What is Hearn wanting? He can say the same about why x amount of the top BDO players don’t enter a-school each year to play for £x million a year.

It could be telling the women to (put up or) shut up.

The positive spin would be that it's his way of saying they they're willing to give the women more opportunities but they need to show strong commitment in response.

He needs to give more to start with. They will not get more exposure through this than through their own World Championship. Tokenism at its most blatant. Anyone who thinks the future for womens darts is to give up on their own tour and compete against men is deluded. Does Barry expect them to win a game? If not, what's the point?

Hearn doesn't do anything unless he think it'll help make money, so this tweet is probably just stirring things for publicity. Just before tomorrow's UK Women's qualifiers.

Maybe the 2 places (why not 1?) were just trying to add some interest to the early rounds.

But maybe it's a bit bigger than that.

The 2018 BDO Lakeside women's prize fund was £29k.
World Masters £10,500.
British Open and Classic £2360 each.
Turkish Open and Classic €3400 each.
Luxembourg Open and Master €1250 each.
etc.

Each 2018 PDC Pro Tour event prize fund was £75k.
1 men's Pro Tour weekend (streamed only), has a prize fund of £150k.
That's likely bigger than the BDO women's entire year.

But to make the leap, they'd first have to be convinced that the women could generate enough viewing to make the PDC money.
They tried before and gave up. So, try again, start small, gauge interest and adjust?

Didn't he just confirm he has no interest in a women's tour.

@BarryHearn
12h12 hours ago
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No barriers. All about ability. One game. All welcome.

[The Jolly Man]

Because only 4 or 5 players have realistic chance of coming through the qualifiers. When you have events that sponsors want you to go to. Or events that qualify them to the only thing that’s guaranteed a year later, Lakeside.

What is Hearn wanting? He can say the same about why x amount of the top BDO players don’t enter a-school each year to play for £x million a year.

It could be telling the women to (put up or) shut up.

The positive spin would be that it's his way of saying they they're willing to give the women more opportunities but they need to show strong commitment in response.

I was thinking that, but when you look at the British players that haven’t gone they aren’t exactly the future of women darts.

All the top younger players have gone/going to the qualifier. Then they’ve seen women who don’t pla6 the BDO Tour reach the semis and final of The European tournament.

[billyd]

Because only 4 or 5 players have realistic chance of coming through the qualifiers. When you have events that sponsors want you to go to. Or events that qualify them to the only thing that’s guaranteed a year later, Lakeside.

What is Hearn wanting? He can say the same about why x amount of the top BDO players don’t enter a-school each year to play for £x million a year.

It could be telling the women to (put up or) shut up.

The positive spin would be that it's his way of saying they they're willing to give the women more opportunities but they need to show strong commitment in response.

He needs to give more to start with. They will not get more exposure through this than through their own World Championship. Tokenism at its most blatant. Anyone who thinks the future for womens darts is to give up on their own tour and compete against men is deluded. Does Barry expect them to win a game? If not, what's the point?

Hearn doesn't do anything unless he think it'll help make money, so this tweet is probably just stirring things for publicity. Just before tomorrow's UK Women's qualifiers.

Maybe the 2 places (why not 1?) were just trying to add some interest to the early rounds.

But maybe it's a bit bigger than that.

The 2018 BDO Lakeside women's prize fund was £29k.
World Masters £10,500.
British Open and Classic £2360 each.
Turkish Open and Classic €3400 each.
Luxembourg Open and Master €1250 each.
etc.

Each 2018 PDC Pro Tour event prize fund was £75k.
1 men's Pro Tour weekend (streamed only), has a prize fund of £150k.
That's likely bigger than the BDO women's entire year.

But to make the leap, they'd first have to be convinced that the women could generate enough viewing to make the PDC money.
They tried before and gave up. So, try again, start small, gauge interest and adjust?

Didn't he just confirm he has no interest in a women's tour.

@BarryHearn
12h12 hours ago
More
No barriers. All about ability. One game. All welcome.

You could argue that Barry/PDC are contradicting themselves when there is already a seperate development tour and challenge tour. If that's the mindset, then why bother with them? (I'm not trying for them to get axed btw, I think they're great)

[Zapp Brannigan]

Because only 4 or 5 players have realistic chance of coming through the qualifiers. When you have events that sponsors want you to go to. Or events that qualify them to the only thing that’s guaranteed a year later, Lakeside.

What is Hearn wanting? He can say the same about why x amount of the top BDO players don’t enter a-school each year to play for £x million a year.

It could be telling the women to (put up or) shut up.

The positive spin would be that it's his way of saying they they're willing to give the women more opportunities but they need to show strong commitment in response.

He needs to give more to start with. They will not get more exposure through this than through their own World Championship. Tokenism at its most blatant. Anyone who thinks the future for womens darts is to give up on their own tour and compete against men is deluded. Does Barry expect them to win a game? If not, what's the point?

If you don’t think the pdc are going to milk this for everything and the 2 ladies are going to be front And center for all media interviews and promos your not seeing why the pdc have done this

Every major outlet did a piece on this when it’s announced, Sky are going to push this like hell with their women in sport initiative

They are going to get more exposure for themselves than they have for the entire time they played ladies darts

[Skewball]

Because only 4 or 5 players have realistic chance of coming through the qualifiers. When you have events that sponsors want you to go to. Or events that qualify them to the only thing that’s guaranteed a year later, Lakeside.

What is Hearn wanting? He can say the same about why x amount of the top BDO players don’t enter a-school each year to play for £x million a year.

It could be telling the women to (put up or) shut up.

The positive spin would be that it's his way of saying they they're willing to give the women more opportunities but they need to show strong commitment in response.

He needs to give more to start with. They will not get more exposure through this than through their own World Championship. Tokenism at its most blatant. Anyone who thinks the future for womens darts is to give up on their own tour and compete against men is deluded. Does Barry expect them to win a game? If not, what's the point?

If you don’t think the pdc are going to milk this for everything and the 2 ladies are going to be front And center for all media interviews and promos your not seeing why the pdc have done this

Every major outlet did a piece on this when it’s announced, Sky are going to push this like hell with their women in sport initiative

They are going to get more exposure for themselves than they have for the entire time they played ladies darts

Yeah, and I'm sure that they will be scheduled to play in a session that otherwise would not attract much attention, due to who's playing or the night it's on.

[DavidB]

Because only 4 or 5 players have realistic chance of coming through the qualifiers. When you have events that sponsors want you to go to. Or events that qualify them to the only thing that’s guaranteed a year later, Lakeside.

What is Hearn wanting? He can say the same about why x amount of the top BDO players don’t enter a-school each year to play for £x million a year.

It could be telling the women to (put up or) shut up.

The positive spin would be that it's his way of saying they they're willing to give the women more opportunities but they need to show strong commitment in response.

I was thinking that, but when you look at the British players that haven’t gone they aren’t exactly the future of women darts.

All the top younger players have gone/going to the qualifier. Then they’ve seen women who don’t pla6 the BDO Tour reach the semis and final of The European tournament.

Exactly - as I said only two Lakeside players haven’t entered and ok the most decorated women’s player of all time is one of them but in terms of the current real top players, well they’re all there having a go!

Clearly Hearn’s tweet as already mentioned is designed for publicity rather than actually looking at the core details...

[Zapp Brannigan]

BDOF is making my head hurt this morning

Ian telling people its a con and Barry has told then there is nothing else in the pipeline (he actually just said he wasnt planning on starting up the ladies world championship again nothing else)

People saying the people in the rankings who decided not to go have all made the right choice as they all got points in Italy

and now someone is actually complaining that the 2 ladies are taking the place of 2 people who did the full year and if it was the BDO doing that people would be up in arms.

the mind boggles.